Mary Fallin For Governer?

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I absolutely detest Mary Fallin for voting for the bailout, and I wrote her a letter stating that I would do everything I could to ensure that she never held political office again in this state after that vote.

I think she is an unprincipled opportunist, and is only pro-"freedom," as the NRA flyer says, when it is convenient (which, let's face it, is not very often for a politician).

I don't know, though... I'm still thinking about voting for her in this election, just because when it comes to state issues, I think she would be better than Askins. I have to say, gun control is one of the biggest issues when it comes to state government. I'm sure Jeri Askins would shoot down any kind of open carry, firearms freedom act, or concealed carry on campus law that would come her way, just like Brad Henry did. I think Fallin would at least sign off on open carry and the firearms freedom act. Gun control is one of the very few issues with which we actually have a possibility of advancing liberty on the state level. Fallin also supposedly supports resisting mandatory health insurance, though I don't think she has the balls for outright nullification and interposition, like Brogdon would have.

As Governor, she really wouldn't be dealing with issues like national economic regulation, bailouts, and foreign policy, so the fact that I disagree with her on those things doesn't matter as much.

The only thing I'm worried about is prolonging her political career. I definitely don't want to see her become established in politics. It may be best in the long run to send her home this election, and hope we can get Brodgon in next time around. Maybe it would be better for the GOP in the long run if we concentrated on purging ourselves of all the statist candidates within our ranks before worrying about beating the Democrats. That's why I abstained from the '08 presidential election.

I think that Askins has this one in the bag. Too many in the GOP (like 1shot(bob)) can't stand Fallin for her bailout vote and will not vote for her no matter who's running against her. We Republicans definitely shot ourselves in the foot when we nominated her... she was the Democrats' favorite in the primary for that reason. One thing is for sure... she MAY get my vote, but I will not be campaigning for her or giving her any money.

+1 Your logic sounds just like mine.
 

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I believe it has been brought up on here before that if a bill for open carry is sent to Mary Fallin as Governor it would get signed by here per her website. I doubt very seriously if Askins would do the same.My vote goes to Fallin.
 

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The only thing I'm worried about is prolonging her political career. I definitely don't want to see her become established in politics. It may be best in the long run to send her home this election, and hope we can get Brodgon in next time around. Maybe it would be better for the GOP in the long run if we concentrated on purging ourselves of all the statist candidates within our ranks before worrying about beating the Democrats. That's why I abstained from the '08 presidential election.

As to your first two sentences quoted above, that horse has already left the barn since she's been in politics for nearly 20 years already. I'd say that counts as "established in politics".

As to your third sentence, it is unlikely that Brogdon will be able to conceal his inner nutburger long enough to get re-elected as a state senator. If you will carefully consider Brogdon's positions, it will become obvious to you he is just a "statist" of a conservative stripe. We might think he would have been better due to his stand on firearms but I believe we would have rued the day he was elected as governor.
 
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C'mon, are you kiddin me? Love her or hate her on other issues, but this one is a no-brainer which the NRA has right on the RKBA.

The current governor - ya know, the a-hole who vetoed several pro-gun bills overriding the will of the people - is from the same party as Askins. The governor is in a true position of power when it comes to gun rights, with the veto power, and the D party completely dropped the ball here - they must not be rewarded for jackass's vetoes.

Askins' website says nil, nothing, nada about her stances on gun rights.

Fallin's has an entire page devoted to the "Second Amendment" http://www.maryfallin.org/issues/second-amendment

One of the easiest choices you could ever have from a gun rights stand point. I'm not saying you should be a one-issue voter, but if you are, Askins sucks and Fallin is the clear winner.

Not a big deal though, because it will probably be a stompin regardless.
 

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As to your first two sentences quoted above, that horse has already left the barn since she's been in politics for nearly 20 years already. I'd say that counts as "established in politics".

As to your third sentence, it is unlikely that Brogdon will be able to conceal his inner nutburger long enough to get re-elected as a state senator. If you will carefully consider Brogdon's positions, it will become obvious to you he is just a "statist" of a conservative stripe. We might think he would have been better due to his stand on firearms but I believe we would have rued the day he was elected as governor.

Yes, she has been in politics 20 years too long. I was just floating the idea that it might be better for our liberty and our party in the long run to crush the careers of people like her before they go any farther, and rebuild with actual principled candidates.

Which of Brogdon's positions do you find to be statist?
 

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She's a lot more conservative than a lot of people give her credit for.

Some are only capable of following a single issue at a time.

As bad as Askins 'may' be I can not vote for Fallin.

"Conservative" is not necessarily the same as a laissez faire, smaller government approach.

Conservative politics and judicial process have brought us government wiretaps (Olmstead v USA, USA PATRIOT Act), watered down 2nd Amendment court rulings (Heller, McDonald), deficit spending (Reagan budget, Bush budget), military conflicts with seemingly no purpose or end (Iraq, Afghanistan).

This is not to say that Liberal political thought has not committed the same offenses. This post is not to criticize a particular candidate, or even a particular political party or school of thought. I could list multiple injustices and inhumunaities that Liberal politics and thought have brought us (Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, FDR and LBJ budgets, opposition to civil rights acts, etc.) but I will omit that commentary them to keep this brief.

This post is meant to criticize partisan politics, and the general notion that most Americans have embraced the notion of selecting a candidate based on one particular issue, or party affiliation.

Labels such as Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat, Statist or Anarchist, Socialist or Capitalist; those mean little to me. I cannot be painted with any one of those brushes as my ideology varies from issue to issue. I do my best to think independently on each topic and come to my own conclusions.

Please consider the totality of your candidate and his or her platform, and the implications those may have if he or she is in office. Do not become polarized or blinded by one particular issue. You candidate's stances or convictions on the smallest of issues, however seemingly slight or inconsequential, may well have a lasting impact on all of us.

We may have to compromise when selecting a candidate; ballot access should be the number one issue of any person who believes we are to remain a free and self-governing nation. Why should we possibly limit our own options when it comes to selecting the leadership of our country? Even given the other controls of the US political system (Electoral College, two houses of Congress, Judicial process, Executive Veto power, Constitutional Amendment process, etc.), we felt that limiting the pool of potential elected officials in most states was a good idea? Of course neither of the two dominant will support this, and we continue to let it happen! We should all be ashamed!
 

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She is not who I wanted on the ticket, but she will get my vote.

This ^ for me!

I wanted Brogdon, but have to pick the lesser of two evils this time around. I'm tired of voting against candidates rather than for a particular person. There is too much at stake nationally and locally to decide any differently at this point.
 

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