Michelle Obama’s warning to gun owners

[Poke78]

So you see, it's bigger than just gun control. The problem is the failure of most people in our society to adopt a consistently pro-liberty view on all other issues as well. And that is what will have to change if we are to retain a shred of our rightful liberty.

Well, the frog in the slowly heated pot of water doesn't get it until he's cooked, either. Perhaps a change of language is necessary here from "sheeple" to "frogs" on the matter of understanding of the full meaning of liberty.

 

[Werewolf]

Don't be ridiculous, my well dressed legal eagle. I'll be using a steel .45acp and a .308. Everybody knows 9mm and .223 is for bitches.

Seriously though! If you guys really want to do good, JB is right. We need to help the candidates that will help us. But first we need to listen to old Willy S. when he said, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." They are bad. Not good. Bad.

JB?

Thomas Jefferson on Lawyers and Congress:

If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?

Thomas Jefferson

Smart man TJ was.

We may need lawyers as advocates for individual citizens but puttin' a whole bunch of 'em all in the same room and lettin' 'em make laws for the rest of us to live by? Uhhh Uh!

 

[Werewolf]

A lot of talk about civil war here re: tyranny.

History has shown us that every tyranny that ever existed thru out the entire existence of mankind has been taken down (usually violently) when the people over which it reigned were pushed beyond all reasonable limits. EVERY - SINGLE - ONE. It may have taken generations of abuse before the people reached their breaking point but that point is always, inevitably reached. The USA is not exempt from the rule as some believe.

I used to believe the breaking point would be reached in the USA within the next 50 to 75 years. Now? Well - I look around and see examples of brave and principled citizens willing and able to take concerted action. Some of those inclined to action may even be members of this forum. On the other hand one also sees the fat, dumb and happy who could care less about what liberties they lose as long as they've got a beer in one hand, a teat in the other while what ever mindless entertainment they prefer is noisily blasting away in the background. IMO the 2nd group outnumbers the 1st by about 100,000 to 1 which makes it extremely unlikely that there's gonna be any risin' up any time soon in the good ole USA.

When the breaking point is finally reached, and it will be, I predict that there'll be enough sheep who turn to wolves who are willing to fight and die, regardless of the odds, that the tyranny will be brought down just like every other tyranny man has endured has been brought down. The wolves will disappear into the woodwork to soon be forgotten. The sheep will go back to their incessant bleating - probably even louder than before. The appeasers will keep on appeasing. There'll be new leadership and new laws. The forgotten but not gone wolves will go on about their business until the times and circumstances once again call them forth.

 

[VladdDImpaler]

Nicely worded Werewolf.

Though, I've always considered myself more of a sheepdog than a wolf and the threats to our liberty the wolves that the flock must be protected from.

 

[tran]

I am sure that many of you actually would take up arms if outright gun confiscation were ever attempted... or at least would refuse to turn in guns and would possibly resist with force if you ever caught any heat for it. I would be right there with you. But here's the deal: the politicians know this too. That is why outright confiscation has never been tried in this country, and never will be tried. The politicians are smart enough to know that it would likely be met with some resistance. The way it will go, if we keep on our present course toward a statist society, is that the politicians will keep on making small incremental infringements on our right to bear arms (along with our other liberties). No single infringement will be so outrageous or hard to swallow that anyone will be willing to draw the line right there and wage war against the government over it.

Look at all the gun control that has been passed so far in this country... it is very incremental. First they require registration and a tax stamp on certain types of weapons that are fairly rare, and then 50-some years later they close the registry on them, making them de-facto illegal, yet without having to confiscate a single gun. They require dealer licensure and ban mail-order sales other than through dealers. They cut off the further import or production of certain ammo types, and then certain guns with certain features. They impose little requirements that at first are more annoying than anything, like the background check requirement. They drive up prices by refusing to sell surplus gov't ammo and firearms on the market, and block the importation of certain guns from foreign countries. They make administrative regulations that never have to see a vote, and use them to further restrict the importation and sale of certain guns and ammo. They impose environmental regulations on bullets and components.

Nobody resisted any of these incremental infringements along the way, because it was never a "big enough deal" to warrant that in anyone's mind. It has to be a pretty damn "big deal" for someone to actually give up his entire life, standard of living, and everything he loves about it; condemning himself to be hunted as an outlaw for the rest of his likely much-shortened life, to take the lives of his fellow countrymen and make widows and orphans of their wives and kids.

The politicians know that they do not have to outright confiscate any guns... all they have to do is to slowly make it more expensive and more of a hassle to own and shoot one, and eventually we will get the same place -- which is a disarmed populace and an armed government. Also, the government will certainly be expanding in other ways, and making people more dependent on it. Eventually we will reach a point where the vast majority of people draw some sort of government paycheck... hell, we are pretty close to that already. If you depend on the government for your job, food, medicine, housing, and other basic needs of life, you will be in much less of a position to fight them. Only people who are materially and mentally independent are threats to a tyrannical government. If you make people materially dependent on the government, they will become mentally dependent. Nobody will adopt a political/moral philosophy that is opposed to big government when their livelihood depends on big government. If the attitude in this country becomes more and more tolerant of big government in other parts of our life, eventually people will give up on the idea that they need to be armed in order to protect themselves against tyranny. Once we've reached that point, as all other countries already have, we will be ready for european/soviet/nazi style mass disarmament.

So you see, it's bigger than just gun control. The problem is the failure of most people in our society to adopt a consistently pro-liberty view on all other issues as well. And that is what will have to change if we are to retain a shred of our rightful liberty.

A lot of talk about civil war here re: tyranny.

History has shown us that every tyranny that ever existed thru out the entire existence of mankind has been taken down (usually violently) when the people over which it reigned were pushed beyond all reasonable limits. EVERY - SINGLE - ONE. It may have taken generations of abuse before the people reached their breaking point but that point is always, inevitably reached. The USA is not exempt from the rule as some believe.

I used to believe the breaking point would be reached in the USA within the next 50 to 75 years. Now? Well - I look around and see examples of brave and principled citizens willing and able to take concerted action. Some of those inclined to action may even be members of this forum. On the other hand one also sees the fat, dumb and happy who could care less about what liberties they lose as long as they've got a beer in one hand, a teat in the other while what ever mindless entertainment they prefer is noisily blasting away in the background. IMO the 2nd group outnumbers the 1st by about 100,000 to 1 which makes it extremely unlikely that there's gonna be any risin' up any time soon in the good ole USA.

When the breaking point is finally reached, and it will be, I predict that there'll be enough sheep who turn to wolves who are willing to fight and die, regardless of the odds, that the tyranny will be brought down just like every other tyranny man has endured has been brought down. The wolves will disappear into the woodwork to soon be forgotten. The sheep will go back to their incessant bleating - probably even louder than before. The appeasers will keep on appeasing. There'll be new leadership and new laws. The forgotten but not gone wolves will go on about their business until the times and circumstances once again call them forth.

Both post made some very good points. Well said!

 

[tsmithwick]

Look around the breaking point has been reached for a while. Example the protesters that have been protesting against rich people. Or westburrow and what they have been doing. Or the flood of immigrants flowing into the country. A hundred years ago the army would have kicked the cartels ass out of the us boarder and the national guard would have stopped the protesting against the rich. And only God know what would of happed the westburrow cult but i would wager they would have been shot or hung. its not that we need to turn into wolfs the problem is we have sat around and let them run ruff shod over us. they first presidents were soldiers, businessmen and philosophical men.

 

[Super Dave]

The first presidents were also wealthy, as I recall learning.

Doesn't matter. What Werewolf said earlier is true. The moral majority of the US is so wrapped up in selfishness, nothing will come of it.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

I just hope it's not a shift to the socialist side.

I'm not picking on you personally, dowmace, I'm just using your words to segue to the following:

Don't rely upon hope alone. DON"T LET it happen. Vote for good, strong constitutional conservatives ... And keep your powder dry just in case.

Woody

 

[tran]

I'm not picking on you personally, dowmace, I'm just using your words to segue to the following:

Don't rely upon hope alone. DON"T LET it happen. Vote for good, strong constitutional conservatives ... And keep your powder dry just in case.

Woody

Amen!

 

[chucky]

It'd probably be the start of a civil war

At least if a Civil War started we would be sure that they would not be using guns. That should make for a fast war.