Open carry update March 15th

[Dave70968]

So what are the odds Sue Tibbs will let it through this year?

 

[Jckellison]

Seems to me that’s 8 hours more training than they get before making laws. Who are the real amateurs in this story?

I love how they tout the concealed carry class and "certifications."

My class was two hours dissecting the carry laws, half hour shooting. It was a total joke of a class and more of a "limit the states liability explanation" type of course.

If these politicians knew a damn thing about these "classes", they'd probably stop using them as a cornerstone of this argument.

Then again, maybe it was just my "instructor", if I may use that term so loosely

 

[druryj]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=336&articleid=20120315_16_A1_OKLAHO557850
Senate sends House open carry measure






Scott Hannaford fills his car with gas while wearing his open holster. JAMES GIBBARD/Tulsa World



By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau
Published: 3/15/2012 2:36 AM
Last Modified: 3/15/2012 8:57 AM



OKLAHOMA CITY - The Oklahoma Senate on Wednesday passed a measure that would allow for the open carrying of guns.


Senate Bill 1733, by Sen. Anthony Sykes, R-Moore, heads to the House after securing Senate approval by a vote of 34-9.

Sykes said the measure would allow those who have a concealed-carry permit to openly carry a gun or carry concealed.

"Several other states have open carry," Sykes said. "They are doing fine."

Sykes said the purpose of the measure was to have a well-regulated militia and support the right of the people to bear arms.

Sen. Jim Wilson, D-Tahlequah, said the state was in compliance with the Second Amendment without the measure.

Sykes said the measure was a right step in enforcing Second Amendment rights.

He said he was not prepared to field questions about locations where the open carrying of weapons would be banned. He said his bill deals with the manner in which weapons are carried, not the location.

Sykes said those who get a license would have to take an educational course, which includes weapons safety, weapons familiarization and how to operate the weapon.

Participants would have to fire the weapon and show they are able to load, unload and clear it, Sykes said. They also would be required to pass a background check, he said.

Cities and counties could not pass measures banning open carry if state law allowed it, Sykes said.

Sen. Ralph Shortey, R-Oklahoma City, said he would like to have the opportunity to have an assault rifle on his back while campaigning.

Wilson, who served in the Marines during the Vietnam War, said that, "What we are talking about is amateurs carrying weapons." Even those who attend the course are still amateurs, he said.
"We are going to have a bunch of amateurs trying to intimidate people," Wilson said.

Sen. Constance Johnson, D-Oklahoma City, said there are too many potential adverse outcomes that could happen as a result of the bill.

"I know boys and toys are a big deal," she said.

She said she is aware Sykes has a strong interest in seeing the measure become law.

"I hope that girl in the Governor's Office if it gets that far will say, 'That is enough, boys,' " Johnson said.
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Republicans voting yes
Mark Allen, Spiro; Patrick Anderson, Enid; Don Barrington, Lawton; Brian Bingman, Sapulpa; Cliff Branan, Oklahoma City; Josh Brecheen, Coalgate; Rick Brinkley, Owasso; Bill Brown, Broken Arrow; Greg Childers, Del City; Harry Coates, Seminole; Brian Crain, Tulsa; Kim David, Porter; Eddie Fields, Wynona; John Ford; Bartlesville; Jim Halligan, Stillwater; David Holt, Oklahoma City; Rob Johnson, Kingfisher; Clark Jolley, Edmond; Ron Justice, Chickasha; Bryce Marlatt, Woodward; Mike Mazzei, Tulsa; Dan Newberry, Tulsa; Jonathan Nichols, Norman; Mike Schulz, Altus; Ralph Shortey, Oklahoma City; Frank Simpson, Ardmore; Gary Stanislawski; Tulsa; Anthony Sykes, Moore; and Greg Treat, Oklahoma City.


Republicans voting no
None


Republicans not voting
Cliff Aldridge, Midwest City; and Steve Russell, Oklahoma City


Democrats voting yes
Jerry Ellis, Valliant; Earl Garrison, Muskogee; Tom Ivester, Sayre; Susan Paddack, Ada; and John Sparks, Norman.


Democrats voting no
Tom Adelson, Tulsa; Roger Ballenger, Okmulgee; Randy Bass, Lawton; Judy Eason McIntyre, Tulsa; Constance Johnson, Oklahoma City; Charlie Laster, Shawnee; Richard Lerblance, Hartshorne; Al McAffrey, Oklahoma City; and Jim Wilson, Tahlequah.


Democrats not voting
Sean Burrage, Claremore; Charles Wyrick, Fairland.


Original Print Headline: Senate passes open carry

Hahahahahaha! Politician-man make funny joke, no? I am neither amateur nor plan to intimidate anybody. I was also in the Marines; 21+ years as INFANTRYman...not as an amateur. Pissed me off with the cheap-shot amateur comment. Way to make friends and get votes.

 

[Poke78]

Early this morning, the online headline for this article was: "In Oklahoma, open carry passes; now people with a concealed-carry permit can do it in public" The TW headline writer told us what they really think about those that would dare to insist on 2A rights.

 

[Old Fart]

I love how they tout the concealed carry class and "certifications."

My class was two hours dissecting the carry laws, half hour shooting. It was a total joke of a class and more of a "limit the states liability explanation" type of course.

If these politicians knew a damn thing about these "classes", they'd probably stop using them as a cornerstone of this argument.

Then again, maybe it was just my "instructor", if I may use that term so loosely

Appreciate you posting that on the oinkernet for everyone to read.

 

[gillman7]

I love how they tout the concealed carry class and "certifications."

My class was two hours dissecting the carry laws, half hour shooting. It was a total joke of a class and more of a "limit the states liability explanation" type of course.

If these politicians knew a damn thing about these "classes", they'd probably stop using them as a cornerstone of this argument.

Then again, maybe it was just my "instructor", if I may use that term so loosely

Then my suggestion to you is if you do not feel adequately trained, don't carry, but by all means, do not judge the world of instructors or people on your experience or feelings of inadequacies.

 

[twotonevert]

When does this new law take effect? I doubt I will ever want to open carry, but it would be nice to use an OWB holster and not worry about printing.

 

[CHenry]

When does this new law take effect? I doubt I will ever want to open carry, but it would be nice to use an OWB holster and not worry about printing.

Nov. 1, 2012

 

[dieseltech09]

When does this new law take effect? I doubt I will ever want to open carry, but it would be nice to use an OWB holster and not worry about printing.

Nov. 1, 2012

We still have a ways to go before it's law

 

[Jckellison]

Then my suggestion to you is if you do not feel adequately trained, don't carry, but by all means, do not judge the world of instructors or people on your experience or feelings of inadequacies.

LOL... It isn't the responsibility of a firearms instructor to train basic firearm safety. I feel it's the parents responsibility, amongst YouTube. Much like any discipline and basic life lessons. I'm not netting all instructors in the same boat either, just the un-instructure I had. By all means, throw no words in my mouth. And my point was politicians who haven't a clue about what they talk about to push and/or pull back within their parties objectives. They are public figures, I believe I may judge all I want as is my right as a human. My other point was how this "class" is nothing more than a beaurocratic "state holds no liability" get out of jail type of play. I will however apologize to you if misreading my post in anyway offended you. My bad.