12 years sober, no alcohol or drugs, I went through horrible withdrawals after drinking a quart or more straight whiskey 7 days a week for over 25 years, also quit smoking at the same time. Every minute, every hour, every day that I got through made me stronger, in a week I knew I good stay straight and nothing, absolutely nothing could happen that would cause me to go back. Being sober was giving me the strength to stay sober, it didn't come from any program or organization, it came from within and its within each and every person, they just have to make the commitment and do the work, no one will do it for you