well like i said id go palmetto state armory all the way through i have a PSA complete rifle and fit and finish is outstanding in my eyes. It went together like peanut butter and women
I've got news for you. If one comany can sell their lower for $50, so could any of the other forged lowers. They are all the exact same in terms of machine time to make them. The real difference IMO in lowers is finish and workmanship. Whether they drill a 0.350" hole or a 0.205" hole they are still drilling a hole so the mfg cost remains the same. Its the people who know what they are doing that can sell them for more.
Noveske could probably sell their lowers for 70$ and still be making money but they sell for a premium because of the name they have built for themselves.
Just for truth's sake, this is not entirely true.
OK, now that I'm not on my phone, let me expound a little.
Yes, a .250" hole is a .250" hole... for the most part. But the $$ difference comes in here: is it a .253" hole, or a .251" hole, and is it that consistently. Also, if the drawing says 2.750" from xyz location, is the actual location 2.751", or 2.755"?
Precision costs $, higher precision costs $$$.
The other factor in the part cost equation, is QC, how many parts out of a 1000 does the company inspect. And by inspect I don't mean "Oh, that one looks good..." I mean measuring every hole diameter, distance, and location; every measurement; every thread on the part.
Now, as was mentioned, the lower doesn't have to be aircraft grade tolerances on all of it, which is why for the most part, cheaper lowers work just as well as more expensive lowers.
You are right and you are wrong.
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I wasn't wrong at all. I just didn't write it all out like you did *the second time*.
You're first post sounded like you thought there was no difference in parts.
If you count inspection and machinery and tooling as overhead, and not as manufacturing cost (WTF *IS* "manufacturing" cost then?), then all you have left is raw material. And sure, the material in the Noveske isn't any more than that in the Surplus Arms lower.
If you count inspection and machinery and tooling as overhead, and not as manufacturing cost (WTF *IS* "manufacturing" cost then?), then all you have left is raw material. And sure, the material in the Noveske isn't any more than that in the Surplus Arms lower.
Nikat,
If the part meets print, its Mil-Spec.
Nikat,
I agreed with you on the inspection part, though I doubt there is really that much difference in inspection levels among the reputable companies. Which is why I don't think that should be taken into consideration. From the tone of your post, you made it sound like Noveske does a full layout of every lower leaving their facility.
I assure you they don't. Now a company who sells only a few hundred AR's a year like Wilson Combat, they might.
It is my belief that the biggest factor in the cost of the lowers is the machinery they are made on.
My point is that saying "Mil-Spec" isn't necessarily indicative of cost. If the part meets print, its Mil-Spec. What machine it was made on has nothing to do with that. One might actually make the argument that the companies with the better equipment could sell their parts for less because they can likely make them quicker, with the same amount of precision as the guys with not so nice equipment.
Overhead is any cost they have consistently.
If a machine is being used, or just sitting there idle, they are still paying for it. That is overhead, not mfg cost. Once it is paid off, it is no longer overhead. If a company is in a building they own, that is paid for in full, it is not overhead.
Mfg cost is material, machine time, paying the operator, paying the QC tech to inspect it, shipping, etc. Things DIRECTLY related to the manufacture of that product. If you were not making that product, you would not have any of those costs.
My first posted sounded like there was no difference in parts because there isn't, and you agreed with me:
And sure, the material in the Noveske isn't any more than that in the Surplus Arms lower.
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