Opinion of Hi-Point Firearms?

[OkieOFT]

No need to resort to name calling. If you love your hi-point more power to you, but we aren't calling your wife ugly so simmer down (well ok, some guys like their guns more than their wives so I can see the sensitivity...LOL).

See my earlier post about reliability...what is your standard of reliability, and what conditions have you used to test it?

Not flaming, I'm really curious. Reliability means different things to different people.

Well i'll put it this way. I've never shot 1000 rounds through it in one day and I probably never will. My standard of reliability is "Will this rifle make it through two or three mag's without jamming", which it has done flawlessly. If it comes to a point of using it for home defense, it will be done cold bore (really cold bore, I keep my bedroom freezing), and at most three mag changes. If I haven't put a bullet in all the bad guys by the end of mag two then i'm probably going to be dead myself.

I'm not an operator so I really don't have a use for a decked out AR15 with an $1000 ACOG on top. Seems like a big waste of money to me, espesially for something thats going to sit in a safe for most of it's life. I'd rather spend the money on the Hi Point, get the same amount of lethality and reliability and take my wife on a nice vacation. Or buy more ammo. Or car parts.

 

[Danny Tanner]

Chimaira rocks.

 

[OkieOFT]

Chimaira rocks.

Yes they do.

 

[criticalbass]

Some of what you are seeing is gun snobbery.

We mostly all agree that citizens have a right to be armed. The comment about $300 more will buy a much better gun, and for many of us, that's not a problem, but for some person making minimum wage and feeding a family, that $300 isn't a doable deal. So, a $100 used HiPoint may be all he can do.

Or should the armed public consist only of those who can afford a Kimber?

Heavy, butt ugly, balances like a brick, but usually shoots. I am mystified by the OPS failure rate. Doesn't match up with what I have heard over the past few years.

If you can afford better, by all means skip the HiPoint, if for no other reason just to avoid snide comments at the range. Sort of like driving a Yugo used to be. (HiPoints are much better guns than Yugos were cars . . .)

I don't like anything about them except that they arm a part of the population that otherwise wouldn't be able to afford them. In my experience the gangbangers usually carry much more expensive tools.

Their guarantee is rock solid. I believe they are blowback guns, which requires the slide to be pretty heavy.

Somebody said you get what you pay for. Not always, but you usually pay for what you get. CB

 

[jcbarlow]

Some of what you are seeing is gun snobbery.

We mostly all agree that citizens have a right to be armed. The comment about $300 more will buy a much better gun, and for many of us, that's not a problem, but for some person making minimum wage and feeding a family, that $300 isn't a doable deal. So, a $100 used HiPoint may be all he can do.

Or should the armed public consist only of those who can afford a Kimber?

Heavy, butt ugly, balances like a brick, but usually shoots. I am mystified by the OPS failure rate. Doesn't match up with what I have heard over the past few years.

If you can afford better, by all means skip the HiPoint, if for no other reason just to avoid snide comments at the range. Sort of like driving a Yugo used to be. (HiPoints are much better guns than Yugos were cars . . .)

I don't like anything about them except that they arm a part of the population that otherwise wouldn't be able to afford them. In my experience the gangbangers usually carry much more expensive tools.

Their guarantee is rock solid. I believe they are blowback guns, which requires the slide to be pretty heavy.

Somebody said you get what you pay for. Not always, but you usually pay for what you get. CB

I disagree with you, if you can afford a $179 firearm, I beleive it would make a lot more sense to wait until you have that huge lum sum of $500 saved up and buy a quality firearm that people use to defend their lives with.

 

[AGI]

Some of what you are seeing is gun snobbery.

We mostly all agree that citizens have a right to be armed. The comment about $300 more will buy a much better gun, and for many of us, that's not a problem, but for some person making minimum wage and feeding a family, that $300 isn't a doable deal. So, a $100 used HiPoint may be all he can do.

Or should the armed public consist only of those who can afford a Kimber?

Heavy, butt ugly, balances like a brick, but usually shoots. I am mystified by the OPS failure rate. Doesn't match up with what I have heard over the past few years.

If you can afford better, by all means skip the HiPoint, if for no other reason just to avoid snide comments at the range. Sort of like driving a Yugo used to be. (HiPoints are much better guns than Yugos were cars . . .)

I don't like anything about them except that they arm a part of the population that otherwise wouldn't be able to afford them. In my experience the gangbangers usually carry much more expensive tools.

Their guarantee is rock solid. I believe they are blowback guns, which requires the slide to be pretty heavy.

Somebody said you get what you pay for. Not always, but you usually pay for what you get. CB

This! I know plenty of people that cannot shell out more than $100 for a used gun...economy blows right now. I don't care what people say, any gun is better than no gun.
I have plenty of other guns to defend myself but the hi-point is always loaded and hidden. Sort of as a back-up...
Anywho, there will always be the ones that are hating on Hi-Points...has been on every gun forum I`ve visited.

 

[redmax51]

I disagree with you, if you can afford a $179 firearm, I beleive it would make a lot more sense to wait until you have that huge lum sum of $500 saved up and buy a quality firearm that people use to defend their lives with.

You don't need $500 for a quality gun.The Keltecs seem to be reasonably reliable and you can occasionally see one for $200-$250 and $300 new for a 9mm or 40.There are a number of 38 revolvers that can be had for $200 if you shop around.Those of you that like or carry Hi Points,I wish you well and hope they always go bang for you.I would never own one or recommend one to anyone though.

 

[kickface]

I disagree with you, if you can afford a $179 firearm, I beleive it would make a lot more sense to wait until you have that huge lum sum of $500 saved up and buy a quality firearm that people use to defend their lives with.

WoW! I'd rather have a $129 pistol when I need it than not having a $500 pistol that I'm saving up for! (not to mention you can practice a lot more with the money saved ,if you're on a budget, with the hipoint)

By the way my first gun I bought for my self was a Hipoint .45. A very utilitarian gun, but after firing thousands of rounds I never had any problems with it.

It's kinda like my m1 garand, it's heavy, accurate, and reliable. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of a tacked out m4, but I can do anything that m4 can do and better.

 

[ez bake]

Some of what you are seeing is gun snobbery.

We mostly all agree that citizens have a right to be armed. The comment about $300 more will buy a much better gun, and for many of us, that's not a problem, but for some person making minimum wage and feeding a family, that $300 isn't a doable deal. So, a $100 used HiPoint may be all he can do.

Or should the armed public consist only of those who can afford a Kimber?

Heavy, butt ugly, balances like a brick, but usually shoots. I am mystified by the OPS failure rate. Doesn't match up with what I have heard over the past few years.

If you can afford better, by all means skip the HiPoint, if for no other reason just to avoid snide comments at the range. Sort of like driving a Yugo used to be. (HiPoints are much better guns than Yugos were cars . . .)

I don't like anything about them except that they arm a part of the population that otherwise wouldn't be able to afford them. In my experience the gangbangers usually carry much more expensive tools.

Their guarantee is rock solid. I believe they are blowback guns, which requires the slide to be pretty heavy.

Somebody said you get what you pay for. Not always, but you usually pay for what you get. CB

I gotta disagree with this man.

Most of what you hear in the Hi-Point world is "I've never had any problems" or "just as good" - followed by a staggering low round count used to prove "just as good".

I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, and I think the Hi-Point carbines are pretty cool (and they seem to have close to the same reliability as the Beretta CX4s do), but its not proven reliable if you just go to the range and put a few mags through it. Most of the bad stuff I've seen is in the pistols.

That doesn't mean that anyone is talking smack about your gun if you own one - its just not "proven as reliable as" by running a few rounds through it and then admitting that it sits in a safe most of its life.

Statistics (and Murphy's law) are regularly proven for a reason - go put 500 or 1000 trouble-free rounds through a Hi-Point pistol (I've only seen 6 in my life and 4 of them had serious malfunctions on the range - two seemed to be completely locked up and the owner had a pretty hard time breaking the weapon down - one of the two that didn't malfunction spent a lot more time hitting my targets than the owner's).

There's a big difference in "weapon is X amount proven reliable" and "I've never had any problems" or "I've never heard of any problems".

Again, don't take this as a personal slap if you own one and there's no need to get offended - I'm just stating facts that I've been made aware of by being around them (I'm not even counting the times I've heard of others experiences with them). I've yet to see any serious test of them in use for any duty/carry/class/battle-environment where they were proven reliable enough for me to depend on one to save my life.

Its not a snobbery thing, my first handgun was a used Police Trade-in S&W 4043 (it was as heavy as a boat-anchor and had a 3-mile long trigger). First thing I did was go out and put 600 trouble-free rounds through it (taking frequent breaks due to my finger cramping up).

There are plenty of LEOs who make less than the average joe and they seem to save up for a decent-gun because its important enough for them to own a side-arm or off-duty weapon.

I'll say this - I know of at least one positive story about them - a friend of mine got one for his wife and she was more accurate with it than with a Glock.

And for the record - in my opinion, a gun that goes click instead of bang when you're using it to defend your life just made your situation a lot worse than having no gun in the first place.

 

[Spooln-Rex]

Ya know its not even so much that high point has a bad rep to those of us who have heard and seen them jam, blow up etc.

But by all means take EZ's advice and go out to the range for a full day and run the gun hard. like 500 plus rounds fired without any issues other than your hands getting sore. I'm finally sold on my M&P 9 since the last class i took with it.i was putting spent brass casings in the mag just to get the thing to misfeed just so i can run some malfunction drills with it. and even then it would still feed and extract 9 out of 10 of those to where i just had to rack the slide to eject the casing.

Either way my opinion make sure the thing will run before you put your life on it. even a glock or kimber or wilson or whatever doesnt matter who makes the firearm. because all firearms are made by real people and people make mistakes. so yea every now and then one of us will get one that slipped through QC and even a $500 glock to a $2,000 1911 can have issues but you will never know until you put some rounds through them. and saying oh i put a whole box through it without any failures doesnt mean a thing. both my M&P's now have between 1-2K rounds through them and only issues i had where the ones i induced not the gun malfunctioning due to poor parts, design, or whatever.