Thanks for taking that deep dive into the legislative language, haven't taken the time to do it myself. Good detail to know, might keep some otherwise level heads from exploding when exposed to hyperbole.
Thanks for taking that deep dive into the legislative language, haven't taken the time to do it myself. Good detail to know, might keep some otherwise level heads from exploding when exposed to hyperbole.
Keep your eyes open. A similar bill in KY had a last minute poison pill amendment slipped in to increase the penalty for going into posted businesses, and it would not surprise for it to be tried here by the Chamber of Commerce lobby.
Regarding the NRA, you are correct that it is not really involved in either state with day-to-day changes in these bills, which are being well handled by state residents.
Ironically, there is another thread going where the NRA is being bashed for not stopping the KY amendment.
The NRA at the moment has its hands full with congress, and the Obama edicts.
Time to pull up the big boy pants and quit ignorant bashing and complaining about what we can handle just fine right here in Oklahoma. The problems we desperately need help with come from Washington, DC. Have you considered what it would be like if all we had to deal with were Oklahoma gun laws and not the flood of idiotic edicts out of Washington?? Just like 1967, the last year gun owners were free.
Regarding the NRA, you are correct that it is not really involved in either state with day-to-day changes in these bills, which are being well handled by state residents.
Ironically, there is another thread going where the NRA is being bashed for not stopping the KY amendment.
The NRA at the moment has its hands full with congress, and the Obama edicts.
Time to pull up the big boy pants and quit ignorant bashing and complaining about what we can handle just fine right here in Oklahoma. The problems we desperately need help with come from Washington, DC. Have you considered what it would be like if all we had to deal with were Oklahoma gun laws and not the flood of idiotic edicts out of Washington?? Just like 1967, the last year gun owners were free.
Aren't domestic abusers already precluded from firearms possession? The quoted article states that they are not.
This statement is garbage.
I repeat the question: wouldn't an SDA license still be needed for carry in a school zone?
It's my understanding this may be a gray area as conviction of domestic abuse is a misdemeanor, not a felony. However, the proposed legislation does have language that you may not open carry while committing a crime and it is a crime to violate a domestic abuse protective order.
I told you hyperbole was the only rhetorical tool that writer had.
No, all the legalities concerning open carry would be the same, just without the permit. So no permit needed, unless entering upon school property. A permit still would not be needed as long as it was for picking up or dropping off. If the vehicle were left unattended, the firearm would have to be unloaded and stored, and it would fall under the guise of transporting/storing a firearm. If the firearm were locked out of view, loaded, in an unattended vehicle, it would be a concealed weapon, and a permit would be required, just as it is now.
It's not gray at all:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922 (Emphasis added.)18 U.S.C. §922 (g) said:
Look at section 8, too--it doesn't even take a conviction, just a restraining order.
So, it seems like I was correct. The statement is garbage.
OK, glad to have the details. Domestic violence is clearly addressed in Federal law so it seems some similar language in the proposed state law would go far in reducing the hyperbole...maybe.
I differentiate between hyperbole (a wild exaggeration not intended literally) and a misstatement of fact. A misstatement is what we have in the portion that I quoted. The question then becomes one of whether the misstatement was an honest mistake on his part or a deliberate lie. That is a judgment that I can't make. Either way, his credibility should be damaged.
