Is OK a stop and ID state?

[SoonerP226]

There are laws that make it mandatory to show ID when making those purchases.

This has come up several times. Although it is true that it is not legal to sell alcohol or tobacco to an underage person, so far, nobody has been able to provide a citation to a statute in Oklahoma that requires a buyer to show ID to complete the purchase. The merchant can require the buyer to show ID (and they’re wise to do so in most conditions), but that’s just a store policy, not a law.

 

[Chuckie]

There’s a big difference between being out walking the trails and sitting in a car (“car’s occupants”) in the middle of the parking lot. I don’t think anyone is going to question why people are out walking the trails during the day, and that was not what I was talking about (or at least intending to talk about).

If a couple is sitting in a car in an otherwise empty parking lot at Dirtybird during the work day, the chances are better than average that they’re up to something that they probably ought not be doing in public, if not something that’s outright illegal. I’m not saying that all, or even most, people are, but it definitely happens, and that Trooper’s reason for making initial contact was completely legit.

I don't think anyone here is debating whether that Troopers initial contact was legal or not. What is being debated is whether he returned on the basis of being 'butt hurt' by the mouthy male in the car, or for some other 'legitimate' reason, and then exceeded his authority, considering the situation.

 

[SoonerP226]

I don't think anyone here is debating whether that Troopers initial contact was legal or not. What is being debated is whether he returned on the basis of being 'butt hurt' by the mouthy male in the car, or for some other 'legitimate' reason, and then exceeded his authority, considering the situation.

I’m not arguing that, I’m just explaining a part of my initial post that was apparently misunderstood by the person who replied to it.

 

[Chuckie]

I’m not arguing that, I’m just explaining a part of my initial post that was apparently misunderstood by the person who replied to it.

 

[PBramble]

TLDR. But my objective view point is that for every person defending police officers saying that only a small percentage of them are bad apples, I might counter with it only takes 13 percent of the population to perform the majority of the crimes. What's the answer? I don't know.

 

[Roadking Larry]

This has come up several times. Although it is true that it is not legal to sell alcohol or tobacco to an underage person, so far, nobody has been able to provide a citation to a statute in Oklahoma that requires a buyer to show ID to complete the purchase. The merchant can require the buyer to show ID (and they’re wise to do so in most conditions), but that’s just a store policy, not a law.

And, if you decline to show ID and instead just walk away without the product the store clerk can't taser , shoot beat down or arrest you.

 

[sh00ter]

How do you handle this one??? Arrest the parents?

I think once the car stopped, there was no deadly-level danger, but how can me make it less common for people to allow their kids to flashmob or otherwise reek havoc on society?

San Antonio cops shoot dead 13-year-old boy after he hijacked a car

Andre 'AJ' Hernandez was driving a stolen Toyota Corolla and threw the car in reverse, hitting the cops after they approached on June 3, 2022.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Snattlerake]

How do you handle this one??? Arrest the parents?

I think once the car stopped, there was no deadly-level danger, but how can me make it less common for people to allow their kids to flashmob or otherwise reek havoc on society?

San Antonio cops shoot dead 13-year-old boy after he hijacked a car

Andre 'AJ' Hernandez was driving a stolen Toyota Corolla and threw the car in reverse, hitting the cops after they approached on June 3, 2022.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The little shiitbird didn't continue his attempt to hurt the officers by ramming the car anymore did he.

 

[sh00ter]

The little shiitbird didn't continue his attempt to hurt the officers by ramming the car anymore did he.

I didn't see the entire thing, but in my humble, but apparently unpopular opinion, deadly force should be a last resort. It appeared to me that crashing the car into another car wasn't to that level, especially for a kid?

But the parents should prob get some punishment for allowing a 7th grader to be out in that situation.

If you had shot him, you would be doing life...it is a double standard.

 

[user 51785]

And, if you decline to show ID and instead just walk away without the product the store clerk can't taser , shoot beat down or arrest you.

could you have possibly come up with an analogy more stupid than that? i really doubt anyone could to tell you the truth.