What is the state law on producing I.D. on demand from law enforcement

[JEVapa]

https://www.okbike.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=86708&module_id=157621
Section 7
Assuming he was breaking the law by not having lights after dark on a street.

That's for operation of vehicles. The thread title is much more broad.

 

[Johnny]

That's for operation of vehicles. The thread title is much more broad.

The thread title is broad but the original post was pretty detailed on the circumstances.

 

[AKguy1985]

Hmmm, you seem awfully defensive over a story YOU brought into the conversation. Are you trying to hide something?

Now you know how citizens feel when an officer is asking unnecessary questions and then says “we’re just having a conversation”. Umm, no, it’s not “just a conversation”.

You know they are "fishing" where I'm coming or going is Irrelevant to this traffic stop. Write my ticket, I'll see you in court.

 

[AKguy1985]

Sometimes I wish it was a banning offense to purposely hijack treads (at least it's not misquoting...), and mods would not let it go on so long. But alas, neither is going to happen.

Years ago, numerous people in this thread would be banned for talking bad about law enforcement, no more I guess.

 

[dennishoddy]

Years ago, numerous people in this thread would be banned for talking bad about law enforcement, no more I guess.

Michael Brown has left the forum.

 

[AKguy1985]

Michael Brown has left the forum.

Oh I know. According to Patrick, Mr. Brown threatened to burn his house down.

 

[Snattlerake]

This is as far as I am going to look up any more state statutes for this question. All the references for further debate/reference are at the bottom. This is the only reference the state statutes have on identification crimes.

2022 Oklahoma Statutes
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
§21-1550.41. Definitions - Offenses - Penalties.​

Universal Citation: 21 OK Stat § 1550.41 (2022)
A. As used in this section and Section 1550.42 of this title, "identification document", "identification card", or "identification certificate" means any printed form which contains:
1. The name and photograph of a person;
2. The name and any physical description of a person;
3. The name and social security number of a person; or
4. Any combination of information provided for in paragraphs 1 through 3 of this subsection; and
which by its format, is capable of leading a person to believe said document, card, or certificate has been issued for the purpose of identifying the person named thereon, but shall not include any printed form which, on its face, conspicuously bears the term "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" in not less than six-point type.
B. It is a misdemeanor for any person:
1. To purchase an identification document, identification card, or identification certificate which bears altered or fictitious information concerning the date of birth, sex, height, eye color, weight, a fictitious or forged name or signature or a photograph of any person, other than the person named thereon;
2. To display or cause or permit to be displayed or to knowingly possess an identification document, identification card or identification certificate which bears altered or fictitious information concerning the date of birth, sex, height, eye color, weight, or fictitious or forged name or signature or a photograph of any person, other than the person named thereon;
3. To display or cause or permit to be displayed or to knowingly possess any counterfeit or fictitious identification document, identification card, or identification certificate; or
4. To use the "Great Seal of the State of Oklahoma" or facsimile thereof, on any identification document, identification card, or identification certificate which is not issued by an entity of this state or political subdivision thereof, or by the United States. Provided, nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to prohibit the use of the "Great Seal of the State of Oklahoma" for authorized advertising, including, but not limited to, business cards, calling cards and stationery.
C. It is a felony for any person:
1. To create, publish or otherwise manufacture an identification document, identification card or identification certificate or facsimile thereof, or to create, manufacture or possess an engraved plate or other such device for the printing of an identification document, identification card or identification certificate or facsimile thereof, which purports to identify the bearer of such document, card, or certificate whether or not intended for use as identification, and includes, but is not limited to, documents, cards, and certificates purporting to be driver licenses, nondriver identification cards, birth certificates, social security cards, and employee identification cards, except as authorized by state or federal law;
2. To sell or offer for sale an identification document, identification card, or identification certificate or facsimile thereof, which purports to identify the bearer of such document, card, or certificate whether or not intended for use as identification, and includes, but is not limited to, documents, cards, and certificates purporting to be driver licenses, nondriver identification cards, birth certificates, social security cards, and employee identification cards, except as authorized by state or federal law; or
3. To display or present an identification document, identification card or identification certificate which bears altered, false or fictitious information for the purpose of:

• a.committing or aiding in the commission of a felony in any commercial or financial transaction,
• b.misleading a peace officer in the performance of duties, or
• c.avoiding prosecution.

D. 1. The violation of any of the provisions of subsection B of this section shall constitute a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punishable by a fine of not less than Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00), nor more than Two Hundred Dollars ($200.00).
2. The violation of any of the provisions of subsection C of this section shall constitute a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punishable by a fine not exceeding Ten Thousand Dollars ($10,000.00) or a term of imprisonment in the State Penitentiary not to exceed seven (7) years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
E. Notwithstanding any provision of this section, the chief administrator of a federal or state law enforcement, military, or intelligence agency may request the Commissioner of the Department of Public Safety or State Commissioner of Health to authorize the issuance of an identification document, identification card, or identification certificate within the scope of their authority which would otherwise be a violation of this section, to identify a law enforcement officer or agent as another person for the sole purpose of aiding in a criminal investigation or a military or intelligence operation. A person displaying or possessing such identification shall not be prosecuted for a violation of this section. Upon termination of the investigation or operation, the person to whom such identification document, identification card or identification certificate was issued shall return such identification to the Department of Public Safety or State Department of Health, as appropriate.
Added by Laws 1987, c. 224, § 9, eff. Nov. 1, 1987. Amended by Laws 1992, c. 116, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1992; Laws 1997, c. 133, § 376, eff. July 1, 1999; Laws 1999, 1st Ex. Sess., c. 5, § 268, eff. July 1, 1999; Laws 2002, c. 86, § 1, emerg. eff. April 17, 2002; Laws 2008, c. 128, § 2, eff. Nov. 1, 2008; Laws 2019, c. 184, § 1, eff. Nov. 1, 2019.
NOTE: Laws 1998, 1st Ex. Sess., c. 2, § 23 amended the effective date of Laws 1997, c. 133, § 376 from July 1, 1998, to July 1, 1999.

 

[queenjohnson1791]

That must be why I received an application form from them one year.

To make them less corrupt?

 

[Snattlerake]

Thanks for posting the 'Law Enforcement Code of Ethics' Snattlerake. It's more clear now why I could never be a cop . . . that thing about having an 'unsullied private life'

Yeah, and so much for whatever I see and hear being forever sealed. I've told y'all so many stories, I could write a book.

 

[queenjohnson1791]

Oh, FFS. Yeah...that's all I see. I can see where you get that after I stated it was a bad joke and showed poor judgment and leadership. This is why we can't talk like adults. Because you can't be objective and you can't even recognize objectivity. I was commenting strictly on the photo incident. Unlike you, I don't have insight into the inner workings of the entire department and the thoughts and intentions of all those who've worked there, or still work there. I don't know anything else about the department. I also refuse to condemn an entire department on a single moment of bad judgment buy some members of the department. Not their proudest moment. But, unlike you, I have a sense of humor and can also see the prank for what it is. And you're damned right I think it was funny.

Since judging is something you seem to do I'll go ahead and make my judgements about you based on this thread. You're a sanctimonious blowhard. You're like a certain poster on here who engages in name-calling and other less than stellar type behavior in one post and then posts about the wonderful things he does at church in the next. So I know all I need to know about you. Since that's the way you seem to like to operate, I'll play.

My point on the slogan is this, when a Police departments is so content in abusing its citizens that they are willing to parade it around in public, I see that as an issue. I could give you countless articles, citizens testimonials etc. On that particular department, Im not trying to make them look worse than they already make them selves look.This is how they want their deptment portrayed! Think about that. I'm very fair and objective, that is why I have asked some serious questions here, that are worthy of response, it just seems no one wants to touch it, but why?
As an officer is it ever okay to violate the oath of office? And if so than way? What you fail to understand is I want change, the People of this Country deserve to be treated fairly and justly by the Police! How do we make that happen?
I think in all your rantings you have confused me for a defund the Police type, I am a Constitutionalist. I think the Constitution is one of the greatest documents ever written.
Once again I will ignore all your name callings etc. They are your opinions and your entitled to them. If you where paying attention you would notice a conversation is my objective here, and just like with self defense, I bring the same level of force being dealt upon me! Back in 2003 I thought it was hilarious, shared it with my friends seen it as a bad joke, I know longer see it that way, it was our complacent attitudes as Citizens towards this kind of behavior, that allowed it to spiral to the point it is at now, lawlessness amongst the Police. This is one of the most corrupt departments in the nation, I don't want that here, I don't want a bunch of "gangbangers with badges!" running around doing harm. " Be the change that you want to see!" I want to live in a community with a Police departments I can be proud of, and stand behind, even when someone makes a mistake! A Police department with a culture of Community! Not a Culture of us verses them! That should never be, a Citizen should be able to have an open discussion with the Men and Women they entrust their safety too.