Violent arrest of student.

[beast1989]

You are basically hitting near my point. It was trivial, in fact so trivial that most of us agree that he shouldn't have even been called to the classroom to begin with. If the incident was in fact such a small issue then making it physical should have never been on the table. Now if he were dealing with some knucklehead on the streets then I'd be 100% behind the officer, but this is obviously different.

In this instance I refuse to believe that being called to the scene authorizes him to use force. Especially just to avoid being "shown up" or to prevent the kids from "winning". That mentality is ridiculous. With the way things have turned out, the officer still ended up losing.

 

[beast1989]

I realize I didn't answer your questions.

Since I'm assuming we kind of agree that this doesn't quite meet the threshold of needing a police officer, I don't think he should have done much more beyond being verbal. After ordering the child to hand over the phone I think he could have explained that if they were in the real world he would have been handing that kid her ass right about now, but since they are not, that she has TWO options. She can walk to the office out of her own volition and only receive a two day detention or have the principal come to her desk to lay out the details of the final resolution. The principal would then explain that the shyt show (i.e. them asking her to leave the room and relinquish her phone) is over and that she has just earned a suspension and probation. After that point the other students don't need anymore of their classroom time taken away, so class should have continued without further delays. The rest of the incident could have been handled after school with the parents/guardian.

Consequences that I thought of on the fly just now are a 5 day suspension (the 2-day detention initially offered by the officer for the phone would now be a 2-day suspension and then an additional 3 days for refusing to follow instructions and disrupting the class). Furthermore, explain that she will be on a short leash for as long as she goes to that school by placing her on probation. For the rest of that year ANY minor offense will warrant a one day suspension at minimum and any major offense or incident involving a cell phone in class will be an automatic expulsion. The end.

 

[ARnut]

A few of the students like him....
http://www.mediaite.com/online/hund...s-stage-walkout-to-protest-ben-fields-firing/

 

[n423]

That;s why I couldn't teach these days...

 

[Shadowrider]

The Nuge has spoken. You liberals lose.

 

[loudshirt]

"He's probably going to handle it like an officer" just doesn't cut it for me. Officer or not, there are things that necessitate physicality and there are things that don't. To my knowledge the incident wasn't physical prior to the officer's involvement and EVERYONE would have been better off if it stayed that way. Putting your hands on a kid for improper classroom behavior is just silly. The fact that this made national news evidences that this could have been handled differently. Unfortunately schools aren't the same places that we group up in and people need to understand that.

I realize I didn't answer your questions.

Since I'm assuming we kind of agree that this doesn't quite meet the threshold of needing a police officer, I don't think he should have done much more beyond being verbal. After ordering the child to hand over the phone I think he could have explained that if they were in the real world he would have been handing that kid her ass right about now, but since they are not, that she has TWO options. She can walk to the office out of her own volition and only receive a two day detention or have the principal come to her desk to lay out the details of the final resolution. The principal would then explain that the shyt show (i.e. them asking her to leave the room and relinquish her phone) is over and that she has just earned a suspension and probation. After that point the other students don't need anymore of their classroom time taken away, so class should have continued without further delays. The rest of the incident could have been handled after school with the parents/guardian.

Consequences that I thought of on the fly just now are a 5 day suspension (the 2-day detention initially offered by the officer for the phone would now be a 2-day suspension and then an additional 3 days for refusing to follow instructions and disrupting the class). Furthermore, explain that she will be on a short leash for as long as she goes to that school by placing her on probation. For the rest of that year ANY minor offense will warrant a one day suspension at minimum and any major offense or incident involving a cell phone in class will be an automatic expulsion. The end.

I totally agree that the officer should not have been called. I do not agree that they should have just talked it out. At the point the officer was called she had been told multiple times by the teacher and an administrator. If it could have just been talked out then the two school officials should have taken care of it. At the point they called the police officer to the room it transitioned from a school matter to a police matter. I am sorry if when you tell the police officer no, he does not just say oh ok one more chance. He gave her the opportunity to comply with his orders. She did not comply, she is an adult and got treated like a non compliant adult.


The root of the problem is not the school, or the officer it is the 18yr old adult that decided to not comply with multiple requests from multiple people to put her phone away. Being remaining seated and being non compliant are a form of resistance.

I think the officer was in a no win situation. I think the Sheriff took the easy way out. The officer was fired on a technicality. He was not fired for yanking her out of the chair he was fired because he let go of her. Yes it looks very dramatic, however if he would have kept a hold of her and landed on top of her she would have been more seriously injured.

Anyone else notice that she did not have/report any injuries until she got a lawyer?

The whole thing just gets me mad. That girl is 18 and an adult. She made adult choices and got treated like an adult. Now she is crying because of choices she made.

After watching the video again, the officer attempts to pull her out of her seat using what appears to be a type of arm bar/escort technique, she resisted and then got pulled out of her seat.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

The officer should have told the admnistrators to call him if she gets physical and walked out the door. He put himself in a bad position and to be honest, had that been my child, I would have contacted an attorney as well. Just like the insubordinate kid, the cop's bad decisions shouldn't go unpunished.

 

[Fyrtwuck]

My two cents worth. Society has gotten way off course leading to whatever reason we have officers in the schools in the first place. I remember we got two officers at my school in the mid seventies right after the infamous bussing court decision.

When that happened at Capitol Hill High School, we got bus loads from the Douglas High School District and all they wanted to do was fight and show everyone who was in charge. Many parents pulled their kids out and went elsewhere.

An officer should never be called unless there is a weapon involved or an actual physical assault has occurred. It's not the officers problem simply because the "child" won't obey.

The school used the officer to handle their obedience problem and went it went further than it should have, then they threw him under the bus.

Go over to YouTube and look at the videos kids are posting across the country. This has gotten way out of hand. This is far from an isolated incident. Most are doing it on purpose and filming/posting and think it's hilarious.

 

[chuter]

the rules need to be clear to students, staff, and ROs;

1. If you don't do as the teacher asks, teacher will request a higher level administrator to come to the classroom, if this happens it's an automatic suspension of X number of days.
2. When admin gets there, if student refuses to comply, suspension goes to 6 months and the RO is called to the room.
3. If student refuses to comply with RO suspension is one year, the RO will use whatever force necessary to remove the student from the room.

The rules can be known by all ahead of time, and repeated during the event. And probably videoed.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Seems now in the system the children are the ones with the power. And they know it.

Yeah, little black girls really do hold all the power in America.