Cyclists

[SoonerP226]

Probably for safety reasons.

I'm sure that's why the ones around here ride on 50mph 2-lane section roads with no shoulders and 8' bar ditches full of sand burrs...

And I'm pretty sure that they're not sitting by the phone at nights waiting for NASA to call. Well, given the sense they display, they might, but they shouldn't be.

 

[SoonerP226]

I guess my thought is, I pay road use taxes when I buy fuel for my enviro killing machine, therefore I shouldn't have to deal with someone traveling 25 mph under the posted speed limit because they want to make a statement.

Funny--I was thinking pretty much the same thing when I was stuck behind a State Farm van doing 25mph under the speed limit (oh noes!1!1! I'm doing 45mph in a 65mph zone, I'd better back off again!1!1!) on highway 77 yesterday...

 

[RidgeHunter]

You really like contacting assholes, don't ya?

Yeah.

 

[Raoul Duke]

The Bicycle/Pedestrian Master Plan is intended to supplement the 1999 Trails Master Plan.

The trail plan envisions 283 miles of multiuse trails

- approximately 114 of which have been completed

- and 207 miles of on-road bike ways throughout the region.

When the Trails Master Plan was initiated there were only 25 miles of paved trails connecting Tulsa and Sand Springs.

The system has grown not only to include the 114 miles of paved trails but 51 miles of on-street bike paths connecting Tulsa, Broken Arrow, Sand Springs, Skiatook, Sperry and soon Owasso.

Toole Design Group is being paid $335,741 to create the plan.

Tulsa might as well build a monorail that hardly anybody will use while they are at it.

[video=youtube_share;wJ5CbLnSjo0]http://youtu.be/wJ5CbLnSjo0[/video]

A much better use of this tax money(for a fraction of the cost, I might add) would be for Tulsa to invest in a public range(that would benefit and be utilized by a much, much larger percentage of the population than dedicated bicycle infrastructure) on par with or even
better than Ben Avery.

http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/ben_avery.shtml

Not to mention, the huge amounts of revenue in the form of sales taxes(ammo, range supplies, firearms sales) that would be generated by the shooters using this public range as opposed to the miniscule amounts generated by the pud-wacking pedal pumpers using the bicycle infrastructure.

 

[inactive]

A range would not get near the use of the bicycle infrastructure in this down. Seriously. How many bikes and cyclists are out there compared to shooters, and how many cycle regularly (like, 4-7 days a week) compared to a shooter? Considering all your other Libertarian banter previously, it seems a bit convenient for you to then want to have public support for a hobby that interests you, and THEN go as step beyond that and talk about tax collection on shooting supplies?

Plus, I see how you assholes drive with reckless disregard to life and limb. And that's just a car. No way would I want to be at a public urban range with the average person. Eff a whole lot of that. I'd be killed.

 

[Raoul Duke]

A range would not get near the use of the bicycle infrastructure in this down. Seriously. How many bikes and cyclists are out there compared to shooters, and how many cycle regularly (like, 4-7 days a week) compared to a shooter?

Well according to INCOG documents, their goal is to:

Triple Tulsa’s bicycle commuter mode share by the end of
2017 and achieve a 10-fold increase by the end of 2022.
Raise Tulsa’s walking commuter mode share to 3% by end
of 2017 and 4% by 2022.

Let's see what can be deduced from this, a ten fold increase by 2022 to 4% would put the current number at a fraction of one percent of the population using this free to the public dedicated bicycle infrastructure at an expenditure of over $18 million tax dollars since the inception of this investment in bicycle infrastructure.

Judging from the fact that there are plenty of private ranges in Tulsa where citizens pay to shoot at these facilities and they don't seem to have any problems at all keeping their doors open, I'd say way more. Especially, if they had access to a publicly funded range for free.

Considering all your other Libertarian banter previously, it seems a bit convenient for you to then want to have public support for a hobby that interests you, and THEN go as step beyond that and talk about tax collection on shooting supplies?

If the government is going to be in the business of using tax dollars to provide recreational amenities, which is debatable as to it's proper role, it should at least be something that will be utilized and benefit the greatest percentage of taxpayers and citizens to the greatest extent possible that should also generate revenue or provide an impact to the economy that will provide the greatest return on investment of tax dollars or at least generate enough to break even and pay for itself.

BTW, I didn't say I wanted it, I said it would be a better use of the money that would be utilized and benefit more taxpayers who are forced to subsidize it than bike infrastructure.

Plus, I see how you assholes drive with reckless disregard to life and limb. And that's just a car. No way would I want to be at a public urban range with the average person. Eff a whole lot of that. I'd be killed.

I see how ******* cyclists ride with such reckless disregard to life and limb to their fellow pedestrians that Tulsa River parks had to build(at quite an expense) cylists their own bike paths because they were too inconsiderate to safely share the existing pedestrian paths at River parks.

You might want to change your screen name to Slave, cause you just got

 

[inactive]

I bet your little emoticon makes you feel like you won something.

Your selected document cited cycle COMMUTERS. Those are people who rely - by necessity or choosing - to commute from location to location on a bicycle. That's not a accurate representation of people utilizing the infrastructure in a recreation capacity. Nice try though.

I shoot guns, and I don't ride bikes, but if you really think the number of cyclists from ages 2-100+ is smaller than the number of frequent recreational shooters, you've naive or delusional. How many people on this board even shoot once a WEEK? Compared to a cyclist utilizing the public roads?

 

[Raoul Duke]

More from the INCOG Pedal Pumper Manifesto:

Goal #4:
Dedicate a minimum of 7% of transportation funding to bicycle
infrastructure, beginning with the next funding
package and annual budget.

Supporting Objectives
a) Increase allotted maintenance budget for on-street bikeways
and multi-use trails by at least 10% annually through 2017.

But Goal #3 is only having 4% commuter mode share by 2022.

An exponential 10% annual allotted budget increase through 2017 and a dedicated minimum of 7% of overall transportation budgets(through infinity and beyond it seems) to only attain a goal of only 4% of the population using it regularly?

Why, it's enough to make a welfare queen blush.

Just Sayin'

 

[RidgeHunter]

I see how ******* cyclists ride with such reckless disregard to life and limb to their fellow pedestrians that Tulsa River parks had to build(at quite an expense) cylists their own bike paths because they were too inconsiderate to safely share the existing pedestrian paths at River parks.

How often do you use River Trails?

I get the feeling you have no idea how crowded it can get at peak use times. Bicycles are different, than feet, you see. This is why the paths are separate. The last couplefew posts of yours are remarkably brilliant. By brilliant I mean bright & shiny examples of waterheadedness - not brilliant as in clever.

 

[donner]

How often do you use River Trails?

I get the feeling you have no idea how crowded it can get at peak use times. Bicycles are different, than feet, you see. This is why the paths are separate. The last couplefew posts of yours are remarkably brilliant. By brilliant I mean bright & shiny examples of waterheadedness - not brilliant as in clever.

I'm guessing he also has never seen a parent trying to teach their kid how to ride a bike on that path, letting the kid swerve from one edge to the other. Ignoring all of the people coming or going behind them.

Or the people who want to take up the whole path, walking side by side, holding hands. Letting their dogs on extendable leashes take out 20 feet of line across the path.

As has been well documented. People are assholes, doesn't matter their choice of transportation.