Active Self Protection: Tulsa - Unarmed Robbery

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RockHopper

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Pansy ass. Through all the failures featured here, the most offensive to me personally is the fact that he didn't even notice his girl catching a beat down. No excuse for not spine stomping that little MF'r who had is back turned while digging through the cash register on the ground.

And as the host says..."believe police still haven't caught these guys". Yeah, that means because you're such a pussy, these **** stains are still free to do this again to someone else, and likely encouraged to do it again seeing as how easy it was. Disgusting. Maybe next time they'll use a gun or knife. That's cool though....it's just somebody else's money, right?

x3 attackers is disparity of force and justifiable use of a deadly weapon, even if all you've got is the damn chair your fat ass was just lounging on.
 

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Let's look at the reality of the situation, neither of the victims were seriously injured, they aren't going to jail, they aren't being sued, they don't have to hire expensive criminal/civil defense attorneys. No insurance claims that increases premiums. The store isn't going to be closed for a long violent crime scene investigation and/or clean up. A closed business loses money, far more than what the bad guys took. Yeah it sucks but it's not the 1800's or even the early 1900's where good was looked on with respect and bad was generally rejected. We are living in a world with a new set of paradigms, we can accept these new paradigms and do the best we can or be constantly angry and unhappy.
 

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Let's look at the reality of the situation, neither of the victims were seriously injured, they aren't going to jail, they aren't being sued, they don't have to hire expensive criminal/civil defense attorneys. No insurance claims that increases premiums. The store isn't going to be closed for a long violent crime scene investigation and/or clean up. A closed business loses money, far more than what the bad guys took. Yeah it sucks but it's not the 1800's or even the early 1900's where good was looked on with respect and bad was generally rejected. We are living in a world with a new set of paradigms, we can accept these new paradigms and do the best we can or be constantly angry and unhappy.

All true. All of it.

Those little bastards still deserved to have their asses shot off. Until one of them gets shot, the level of their violence will only increase.
 

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There are definitely multiple failures there. If someone walks into my presence anywhere wearing a mask to obscure their identity, especially in multiples, that is automatically high alert. They came walking in with purpose which means they were carrying out a plan.

The guy shouldve automatically made himself an obstacle between the visitors and the chick.

The chick also shouldve had the sense to bail to a backroom where she can lock a door and call police.

Once loved ones/bystanders are out of harms way, it is the guys job to set up for his next position again blocking access to bystanders. If he is armed, that is the point to be at ready and make a mental note and verbal announcement of where the line of engagement is. If they cross that line after announcement, they aren't victims, they are volunteers. If they provide any indication they are also armed, engagement must be proactive and swift.

How people can occupy a space, especially place of employment, home, friends and family's homes, etc. and not war game in their mind to establish some basic plans for a variety of scenarios is beyond me. My last job had an extremely long hallway (about 40yds long) with nothing but locked doors down either side and was the only means of egress without going through a window out the 2nd floor. I hated having to walk down that hallway when the O&G markets were tight and we were hearing about layoffs all over the place.
 

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What is that old adage about real men wear pink?!?!? Bwahaha. Think the thugs would have had a change of attitude when staring back at a 12ga pointed at their head...but then again, the Amish aren't known for their brilliance.
 

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If you are going to resist criminals because you think it make the world a better place, it wont. Crime and criminals have always been with us and as long as flawed humans run the world criminals will always be with us. If you are going to resist criminals over money or property it will almost always cost you more than what is being stolen. Consider legal fee's alone, if you resist with violent force, any type of violent force, you will be arrested and held until the police can sort out what happened. If you talk to the police without a lawyer being present you are ignorant of the criminal justice system, after being involved in a violent incident the police don't even talk to the police without a lawyer being present. Just having a criminal defense attorney present at questioning can run into the thousands of dollars. Let's say you do engage the unarmed thieves with a firearm and at some point you pull the trigger keep in mind that trained and qualified LEO's miss almost 70% of their shots fired, an untrained person who has no experience dealing with criminals probably won't do better. Are you prepared for the civil and possible legal consequences of missed shots hitting where you hadn't intended. Using deadly force against an unarmed person will almost always result in charges being filed, disparity of force notwithstanding. In the recent Curtis Reeves trial it was shown that the 70 year old Reeves was struck on the head by a much younger taller heavier person standing over the seated Reeves, Reeves responded to the attack with deadly force, a .380 round fired into his attackers heart. Reeves was charged with murder, so much for "disparity of force" being taken into consideration by the Prosecutor. Although the jury saw things differently than the Prosecutor and aquitted Reeves it cost Reeves almost a $1,000,000.00 in legal fee's, so there is that. That's hardly a one off, remember Zimmerman, an even better case for disparity of force and that also resulted in a murder charge and almost $2,000,000.00 in legal fee's. That said, it's up to each person to decide if a few dollars or property is worth risking literally everything.
 
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If you are going to resist criminals because you think it make the world a better place, it wont. Crime and criminals have always been with us and as long as flawed humans run the world criminals will always be with us. If you are going to resist criminals over money or property it will almost always cost you more than what is being stolen. Consider legal fee's alone, if you resist with violent force, any type of violent force, you will be arrested and held until the police can sort out what happened. If you talk to the police without a lawyer being present you are ignorant of the criminal justice system, after being involved in a violent incident the police don't even talk to the police without a lawyer being present. Just having a criminal defense attorney present at questioning can run into the thousands of dollars. Let's say you do engage the unarmed thieves with a firearm and at some point you pull the trigger keep in mind that trained and qualified LEO's miss almost 70% of their shots fired, an untrained person who has no experience dealing with criminals probably won't do better. Are you prepared for the civil and possible legal consequences of missed shots hitting where you hadn't intended. Using deadly force against an unarmed person will almost always result in charges being filed, disparity of force notwithstanding. In the recent Curtis Reeves trial it was shown that the 70 year old Reeves was struck on the head by a much younger taller heavier person standing over the seated Reeves, Reeves responded to the attack with deadly force, a .380 round fired into his attackers heart. Reeves was charged with murder, so much for "disparity of force" being taken into consideration by the Prosecutor. Although the jury saw things differently than the Prosecutor and aquitted Reeves it cost Reeves almost a $1,000,000.00 in legal fee's, so there is that. That's hardly a one off, remember Zimmerman, an even better case for force disparity of force and that also resulted in a murder charge and almost $2,000,000.00 in legal fee's. That said, it's up to each person to decide if a few dollars or property is worth risking literally everything.
So, you are going to stand by let these two criminals rob you and possible attempt to kill you, while you are waiting for the cops?
 

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