whats your favorite 9mm

[TheLastDaze]

This isn't NATO and I don't have to use ball ammo in my carry gun.

I'll shoot them a second time if I need to because I'll have a quick follow-up shot, more rounds, and less recoil thanks to my 9mm +P Speer Gold Dots or Federal Hydra-Shoks.

Agreed...

 

[TheLastDaze]

 

[TheLastDaze]

I don't have a vavorite 9mm, no range, no terninal knock down. The 9mm was NOT designed to be a man stopper.

With that said I'm under the assumption you believe a .40 cal is a man stopper.. ??

Just noticed you're LEO and thought I'd post this for you to read.. Many more situations like this across the board in "ALL" calibers...
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-...l;jsessionid=10BDC02F0CF4D0B083E43EA06A47B949

 

[ldp4570]

Remember one thing that they don't tell you. How many times did they have to shoot to get that perfect picture.

I don't buy into charts, I do however buy into "SHOT PLACEMENT"!! If you can't put those rounds into the right place it won't matter how big they expand, or how deep they penetrate.
I've posted this before, and will continue to do so everytime someone wonders what the majic bullet is;
1. Shot placement
2. Penetration
3. Everything else is the luck of the draw, as in cards. The HP may expand, and it may not. If your concerned about this read rule 1, and 2 again.

 

[cbolt01]

I'm a .40 guy, But it's going to be Glock all the way G17, G19, & G26...

 

[gearys 5600]

Agreed...

+++1

 

[LtCCMPUnit42]

I love hearing stuff like this. Is there a round that knocks people down?

Hunting often involves stopping much larger animals than people and they are rarely "knocked down" by the impact of a bullet - you stop someone by doing the same thing you do when hunting: you put a large hole (or just generally cause damage by way of a hollow-point or soft-nose round) through a vital area and they can't continue attacking you.

Today's bullet technology means that there are rounds designed to do much worse damage than even 10-15 years ago. So you can put a 2" hole in an attacker's center of mass, or you can put a 3" hole in their center of mass - both are more than effective enough to defend yourself (I'm approximating the size of the holes - there's plenty of research out there to show the difference in the various calibers - but this thread isn't about that, so let's stay on track).

This isn't NATO and I don't have to use ball ammo in my carry gun.

I'll shoot them a second time if I need to because I'll have a quick follow-up shot, more rounds, and less recoil thanks to my 9mm +P Speer Gold Dots or Federal Hydra-Shoks.

I digress, I was actually referring to a study that the feds did showing the 9mm to be a 45% one shot stopper. Wen't back to check my numbers, and you are correct, the study was done over 17years ago.
Still like my big calibers though. shot placement has everything to do with terminal performance, but the bigger caliber does give more room for error.

 

[blutch]

Remember one thing that they don't tell you. How many times did they have to shoot to get that perfect picture.

I would love to see how the .380 +P compares in that chart. Do they have a chart with that on it?

B

Meant to quote the chart but it didn't show up. Where is this chart from?

 

[LtCCMPUnit42]

With that said I'm under the assumption you believe a .40 cal is a man stopper.. ??

Just noticed you're LEO and thought I'd post this for you to read.. Many more situations like this across the board in "ALL" calibers...
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-...l;jsessionid=10BDC02F0CF4D0B083E43EA06A47B949

Carry a .40 because I'm told to. Had to trade in a GOOD S&W mod 686. I personally am a.357 or .45 man.

The only difference between a 2" or a 3" wound channel is that I have another inch of error to still be effective.

 

[LtCCMPUnit42]

no offense taken.. but in your civilian world what exactly is a 'man stopper' sir? lets be real a handgun is merely an emergency tool to get to a rifle...

even a better question as not to start a caliber war, shot placement is most important we'll all agree, just how accurate are you with your CCW Desert Eagle 50? And must I dig out and re-post an article where the BG was shot 22 times in the chest by an officers .40cal?? during the fight the officer thought he was missing him as he didn't react. also the BG wasn't on drugs the autopsy showed minimal alcohol ( like 1 beer)..

You are correct, kind sir my side arm is just something to keep them off until I can clear something bigger.(rem 870)