I'm confused on this back and forth. Are you saying that people in the restaurant industry are lazy and unmotivated?
1% tip, on expensive lunch. **and my rant on pay, gratuity, and salary jobs**
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I'm confused on this back and forth. Are you saying that people in the restaurant industry are lazy and unmotivated?
Nothing wrong with that, but when my service has been that bad I usually seek out a manager before I exit the building and have a short discussion about my experience, but it's always polite and I try to be constructive in my complaint. Nobody likes dealing with an *******. They also don't give much weight to an *******'s complaints. Cause,"he's just an *******".
the number of jobs doesn't matter!!! the recession is a hoax, unemployment is a hoax, economics as a whole is a hoax!!! wow so if you have one job opening and between 1200 to 2500 people apply (i am in dental/med sales and that is how many apply for a position like mine) all suck but one guy/girl?? also due to obamacare and the recession alot of people have been cut and companies aren't hiring, so you are telling me all the people out there that got laid off (for the first time in their life) must suck?
It is funny because in one thread we rip people for sitting at home not working, in this thread we rip people that work, and now we have people on a gun website that disagree basically with anyone that has any experience in economics on a basic economic rule! Even at mcdonalds over 1 million applied for 62,000 jobs, guess 938,000 were all lazy and worthless....
http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewNews/One_Million_Apply_for_62000_Jobs__with_McDonalds_110506
I tip 20% average and goes lower if the service or waiter/waitress is not providing good service with a good attitude. Exceptional service can see 20% to 30%. For example we went to Flemings for valentines and the waitress was excellent. Total bill was $200 for my wife and I with the tip being $34.61 (included in the total price).
To the OP.
I wish I could base what I pay on what I make an hour. I'd love to pay my doctor $5 because they only spend about 10 minutes with me, unfortunately that's just not how it works. If you are picking up the check for your entire family, you should tip for the entire family.
Also, you guys need to remember that the 45 minutes to an hour that you are there only accounts for a small part of that servers day. They spend about 1/3 of their day setting up and closing down the restaurant, making $2.13 an hour. While I agree that restaurants should be paying the salary, and a tip should be more like a bonus, unfortunately that's not how it works. Like it or not, we are responsible for what these people make.
Finally, if you don't want to tip properly, eat at McDonalds.
I wish I could base what I pay on what I make an hour. I'd love to pay my doctor $5 because they only spend about 10 minutes with me, unfortunately that's just not how it works. If you are picking up the check for your entire family, you should tip for the entire family.
Also, you guys need to remember that the 45 minutes to an hour that you are there only accounts for a small part of that servers day. They spend about 1/3 of their day setting up and closing down the restaurant, making $2.13 an hour. While I agree that restaurants should be paying the salary, and a tip should be more like a bonus, unfortunately that's not how it works. Like it or not, we are responsible for what these people make.
Finally, if you don't want to tip properly, eat at McDonalds.
Oh, and this is not to say you should tip the rude or incompetent server. There is a difference between someone who is busy, and someone who sucks at their job, and it's easy to make that distinction. If they can't (or won't) provide friendly service, don't leave a tip. It's primarily an acting job.
Also, If the service is bad, I encourage you to complain. Not to your server, to their manager. When I worked at Chili's, they were SO WORRIED about their bottom line, they would NEVER keep enough servers on staff. At a minimum, I would have 5-7 tables at a time. No one is getting good service at that rate, and I CONSTANTLY brought this to the attention of corporate, my management staff, etc. "Oh, you can handle it!" Handle, yes. Provide good service? No. Sure, I'd take around 30 tables a night, but was I making good money? Hell no.
Also, If the service is bad, I encourage you to complain. Not to your server, to their manager. When I worked at Chili's, they were SO WORRIED about their bottom line, they would NEVER keep enough servers on staff. At a minimum, I would have 5-7 tables at a time. No one is getting good service at that rate, and I CONSTANTLY brought this to the attention of corporate, my management staff, etc. "Oh, you can handle it!" Handle, yes. Provide good service? No. Sure, I'd take around 30 tables a night, but was I making good money? Hell no.
I'm another one who tips on the service. Unless I happen to be with a party of 8 or more. It really chaps me when they include the gratuity along with the bill. That's just plain wrong. So I don't tip anything extra because it's the restaurant that decided the tip amount! I always tell the help that I would like to tip more, but that they Restaurant has decided they're only worth 10% or whatever the percentage amount for the tip is.
Otherwise, crappy service gets you nothing or possibly a dime and being told that your service was sub par. Okay service gets 10%. Good service gets 20% and Excellent service gets around 35%.
Otherwise, crappy service gets you nothing or possibly a dime and being told that your service was sub par. Okay service gets 10%. Good service gets 20% and Excellent service gets around 35%.
At the tender age of 29, you have things all figured out. Having lived through the "black tag" era (Jimmy Carter) and the Nixon era of price control while semi-self employed in a family contracting business I will share this with you.
When your neighbors cannot afford to get work done you have no work to bid.
Simple math. Now you can bid at a loss or break even at what little work that comes your way- keeps the lights on. But no matter how bright, talented, butt-busting or clever you are- when the work dries up- you go broke.
I am glad your making it. The *economy* in OK is sorta insulated from the rest of the country. I hope it never slows down- you won't like the "reality check".
I saw a lot of this kind of attitude in the Upper Midwest during the 90's boom. We were catching up on a lot of pent up demand for work that had been deferred for a long time. Lot's of guys who never went through the tough times really thought the money they were making was because they "really" were better than someone else---harder working, smarter, etc. When it busted up there- we saw a lot of kids selling boats, houses, tools, shop space---- and they were clueless about how it fell apart-or how to tough it out. When your neighbor loses his job or your best account folds- youre out too.
"But for the Grace of God" kiddo...The Grace of God
Wait, so the unemployed and underemployed are lazy and unmotivated? You realize that the Invisible Hand of capitalism says that perfectly motivated people be allocated to working at "the bottom" of the job market by the simple concept of supply of, and demand for, labor in those positions?
It has nothing to do with Socialism or laziness; in fact, it's quite Capitalistic in principle.
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