Election 2012

[Rabbitcreekok]

i sooo agree. A good 3rd party candidate, with sound business sense is what we need.

Of course this will guarantee a win for Obama. Remember Ross Perot.

 

[redmax51]

More importantly, many Americans have a passive approach to their knowledge -- they want to be spoon-fed their information, and many times, desire to be spoon-fed what they should think about it. In this vein, yes, the mainstream news outlet content isn't enough to have an informed opinion on many subjects. It's NOT the media's "job" to provide that, it is up to each individual to learn for themselves, and that requires a little bit of effort.

Understatement of the year, unless you're a millionaire and have all the time in the world, you're going to have to take someones word on most news worthy things.That is unless you're the all knowing, all seeing, Veggie Meat.

 

[cowzrul]

Orly?

I thank you for that video. I saw SWAT and National Guard (acting under the authority of the Governor) but no military in that video.

I was a civilian, and I would call what happened treasonous.

We will just have to disagree about the actions of the "military" during that time frame. I saw nothing treasonous while I was there.

 

[dlbleak]

Personally, I don't want an "average Joe" who knows what it's like to be you or I running the country. I think it would be asinine, ignorant, and foolish for folks to think that would be a necessary qualification to be President.

I want someone in the Oval Office who has proven that they can be successful at executive leadership, be that in the business world, the political world, or the military world. I don't care that their income might be orders of magnitude higher than mine, or that they might not know exactly what my personal strife feels like because of their economic position in life.

I want them to be able to handle the extremely complex nature of being our country's leader, and be skilled at the many different facets of leadership and management that such a position requires. An "average Joe" knows enough about his little slice of the world to take care of that relatively simple problem, but has absolutely no idea how to deal with, or adapt to, all the other complex pieces of the puzzle like macroeconomics, international diplomacy, domestic policy in a free society, or military strategy -- things that people could study at high academic levels for a lifetime and still only scratch the surface of. Average Joe knows just enough to drive the train to the wreck on those topics, but that's about it.

I don't care what Romney or Obama (or insert candidate name here) make now, or made in the past...unless it's an indicator that their knowledge, wisdom, and experience will make them excellent leaders of our country. Personal wealth, in and of itself, just isn't a single factor, or even an indicator of other factors, of excellence in those areas.

i don't believe obama ever had any of these qualities. yet, he has had his chance to prove himself and failed. i'm not a 100% romney fan by any means. i just don't see how he could do any worse. barry had his oppurtunity, lets pass the torch.

i had high hopes for obama. my biggest dissapointment was that he was everything i thought he would be.

 

[LightningCrash]

your right, for those who dont believe in authoritarian expansive big government, theres no negoiating with them.

If they truely want a smaller government then they can sit down, explain their ideas and participate in the POLITICAL process, which is call negotiating. When you negotiate you compromise. Like it or not thats the process, unless they really want a AUTHORITARIAN government.

You say the parties won't negotiate, then you say that the small government supporters are the ones who need to compromise. Which is it?

There are more independents now than there have been in almost 75 years. The right is getting more batcrap-fundie, the left is getting more batcrap-progressive, and they marginalize and undermine anyone who doesn't support them 100%.
Keep playing king of the hill with your party members and you'll just be the Duke of the dross.

 

[tran]

I agree...

 

[tran]

You say the parties won't negotiate, then you say that the small government supporters are the ones who need to compromise. Which is it?

There are more independents now than there have been in almost 75 years. The right is getting more batcrap-fundie, the left is getting more batcrap-progressive, and they marginalize and undermine anyone who doesn't support them 100%.
Keep playing king of the hill with your party members and you'll just be the Duke of the dross.

This is a simple fix. The ones on the left need to move back to the center.

 

[WTJ]

Obama, a COMSYMP, had his shot and blew it. Romney is a tool, and possibly another fellow traveler, but he got the slot. It's tough to blame Bush after 4 years, but his domestic attention WAS lacking. Still, you can lay most of the financial issues at the feet of the Democommunist-controlled Legislative Branch, who still pursue the same Leninist insanity. Look up Franks, Scummer, Pehosi, and company.

While the choices are certainly bad and worse, Romney it is. I went the Perot route once, and we got Commierad Clinton.

 

[Lurker66]

You say the parties won't negotiate, then you say that the small government supporters are the ones who need to compromise. Which is it?

There are more independents now than there have been in almost 75 years. The right is getting more batcrap-fundie, the left is getting more batcrap-progressive, and they marginalize and undermine anyone who doesn't support them 100%.
Keep playing king of the hill with your party members and you'll just be the Duke of the dross.

first off i have no party, i am registered as an independent in potawatomi county.

Which is it? Right now we have a huge government, if the small, less intrucive govt types could actually get a place at the table to negotiate, both sides would have to comprimise. That was my point.

Listen im with most of the Libertarian ideals and i think govt spending is out of control. Im all for smaller govt but thats not gonna happen unless we get some moderates in office who will negotiate with each other regardless of the issues. Grid lock, imo, only kicks the can down the road.

 

[Lurker66]

I don't live in absolute blanket statements.I don't know all their policies.Odds are there are small things I might agree with although I can't think of any currently being discussed.Hence the term "most".You find that interesting ? wow

Right is only subjective to weak minded people.

interesting only in the statement "do not and will not support most" it implies you will and do support some liberal policies, however small or undiscussed, they might be. In my opinion we could find some negotiating room in that statement. BTW im not a liberal, just stateing the political process call for negotiating and comprimise.

As for the "right" weakminded comment, i wont argue with you, no point if your world is black and white. It takes a strong mind to be tolerant of black and white thinkers when politics is shades of gray.