HB2522: Open Carry

[ronny]

Other than stupidity, what characteristics would I have to exhibit to be considered for elected state office?

Late last night, as I lay there thinking about this, I began to feel bad about my knee-jerk reaction. Well, maybe not.

How the heck do they ever get a bill written?

 

[hrdware]

Please explain the logic in needing different training to open carry. That's the part I don't understand. If I carry with my shirt tucked in or shirt tail out to conceal it, why does a person that already have a CC permit need something else? Again, if the person has no CC permit to start with then I agree some training is needed.

I think people are assuming that I agree with what Russell did, I don't. All I'm doing is saying what he did and trying to explain his reasoning for it. Kind of like playing devil's advocate.

One thing that the noise makers are jumping on is if someone is open carrying how do we know they are/will be safe with it. Ahh...training....we'll make them take safety training. The SDA class has no safety training requirement in it, therefore people should take a dedicated training class. I'm surprised no one is trying to mandate that safety training be part of the SDA class, if they did, the training point wouldn't be an issue.

 

[hrdware]

How does having 2 separate laws make anything clearer? Over half the people with CCL's cant even tell you if something is legal under the SDA. This is is only going to lead to more confusion. The bill was fine the way it was. One law with 2 methods of carry, open or concealed. It doesn't get any simpler than that. I dont need to go sit through another BS class and pay any more money to open carry.

Separate laws make it clearer because they are easier to read an interpret. If you want to open carry, here are your guidelines. If you want to conceal carry, here are your guidelines. None of this here is the rule, no the exception to the rule followed by the exception to the exception. In NM it is illegal to open carry in a restaurant, unless you have a CCL. In WA it is illegal to open carry in a car, unless you have a CCL. Plain easy to read laws are what it should be about.

 

[hrdware]

I do not understand the comment "Decouple the law." Carrying a gun is carrying a gun, making a decision to shoot is making a decision to shoot, concealed or open is not a factor. I want to CC carry or let it show with out possible harassment. Either way, you make its shooting decisions, whether it is visible to others or not is a moot point, you are responsible and in charge of the trigger. As far as fees, when have politicians ever been concerned about any user fees for anything? Is boasting trying to reduce the fee worth trashing this bill? The fee can be reduced next year. What a crock of reasons to sabotage this bill.

According to Russell, states that have open carry tied to concealed carry end up with more problems than they solve in regards to legislative pitfalls. The majority of states with OC either have no permit OC or a seperate OC permit. Like I said, I don't agree with what he did, just trying to play devils advocate and explain why he did it.

I guess I am not smart enough to be a politician, but as I see it, HB2522 was only 2 steps away being law, a vote of the full Senate floor (Which was most likely a shoe in,) and a signature by our Governor who ran on a platform that if a bill like this was presented on her desk, she would sign it. It should have been a done deal. We could work on other parts or fees next year.

Agreed

 

[hrdware]

What score on, say, a B-12 target does the Second Amendment prescribe to exercise the right?

It doesn't, and I'm not saying it should. My point was that the noise makers spout off about the dangers of people with a lack of training openly carrying a firearm, so to appease them the lawmakers say you have to have a safety class to open carry. The SDA class currently does not have to provide any safety training, it assumes you already know good safety.

 

[hrdware]

I cant believe he is bragging about killing the bill. What a douche. If this is what he wanted he should have introduced his own bill again this year. Im going to go ahead and say that Open Carry has once again been killed in Oklahoma.

He did....SB1092 which didn't get a senate committee hearing because after it passed the senate last year, the house didn't hear it.

 

[piston10]

I think people are assuming that I agree with what Russell did, I don't. All I'm doing is saying what he did and trying to explain his reasoning for it. Kind of like playing devil's advocate.

One thing that the noise makers are jumping on is if someone is open carrying how do we know they are/will be safe with it. Ahh...training....we'll make them take safety training. The SDA class has no safety training requirement in it, therefore people should take a dedicated training class. I'm surprised no one is trying to mandate that safety training be part of the SDA class, if they did, the training point wouldn't be an issue.

I think the reason he did it was for paybacks. He stated that in his post. Again, no one who defends this has told me why I need separate training for if I have my shirt tail in or out. Either way I am still carrying a gun. I am not opposed to the guidelines for open carry that will be in the law, I'm against needing another permit. He says its to save people money, but yet most people who open carry already have a CC so it will actually cost all of those people more. So then to save money would we get a discount?

 

[Werewolf]

OC cannot pass with no license requirement other than some silly training certificate. It's too soon. It'll never pass the house and even if it does it gives Fallin the excuse she needs to veto it - assuming it ever even gets to that point.

As others have noted we lost our rights by increment and that's the only way we're going to get them back.

Open carry is now dead thanks to Russel - who to the best of my knowledge is retiring after this session anyway. He's got nothing to lose at all by pushing this.

 

[jwv]

It really is a shame and disgrace on SENATOR RUSSELL for doing what he did. It just goes to show everyone that they all have their own " little hidden agendas". When they tell us how much they support open carry and then derail the bill with BS that they know won't pass, yeah we know the drill. Not meaning to hijack this thread, but I got the email that said SB 1733 will be heard in the house safety committee on 4/4/2012, so I wonder what stupid crap will be done to that bill? I think thats the safety committee with Tibbs , so it may not even get heard.

 

[hrdware]

I think the reason he did it was for paybacks. He stated that in his post. Again, no one who defends this has told me why I need separate training for if I have my shirt tail in or out. Either way I am still carrying a gun. I am not opposed to the guidelines for open carry that will be in the law, I'm against needing another permit. He says its to save people money, but yet most people who would open carry already have a CC so it will actually cost all of those people more. So then to save money would we get a discount?

Added a word that I think you accidentally left out. I will agree that currently those who would open carry probably already have a CCL and are carrying already. There may be those people who would carry but the cost of a CCL is prohibitive to them, like retired persons, or persons on disability, but if the cost was low enough then the cost to open carry may be more affordable for a lot of people. If it is more affordable they might decide to get an OC permit instead of a CC permit.