HB2522: Open Carry

[O4L]

The thread is not about the logic of open carry it is about our right to open carry and efforts underway to restore that right.

I agree.

This thought was lost 200 or so posts ago.

I agree.

don't feed this troll.

I agree.

 

[Lurkerinthewoods]

Longtime Oklahoma State Rep. Sue Tibbs Dies

TULSA, Oklahoma -

Oklahoma State Representative Sue Tibbs, a Republican who was currently serving Tulsa in District 23, has died.

Tibbs died Friday evening at her home in Tulsa after a long battle with cancer, a press release from the Oklahoma House of Representatives said.

http://www.newson6.com/story/17356164/longtime-oklahoma-state-rep-sue-tibbs-dies

 

[Seth247]

Longtime Oklahoma State Rep. Sue Tibbs Dies



http://www.newson6.com/story/17356164/longtime-oklahoma-state-rep-sue-tibbs-dies

I hated her for her actions on last years bill but I hate cancer even more.

 

[Seth247]

I guess several have missed my point. So I'll expand upon it. I guess I don't really disagree that it should be a citizen's right to open carry. I meant that open carry is not an intelligent way to protect yourself and your family. Uniformed officers are already marked to stand out, and their identification as law enforcement furthers the penalties for confrontation with them, and ups the deterrent level. They should be openly armed.

Regular citizens not in uniform openly presenting a firearm raise more questions than answers. Is this person trained properly? Are they hot-headed? Why are they displaying a weapon? Does he think I just looked at his wife? What if he's on medication?

I think we will see most people in public shy away from open carry individuals. These people carrying a weapon may incorrectly interpret this as a sign of respect, or unnecessary fear, however the typical attitude will be to treat them similar to the way one would treat a teenager in a car with a super loud radio. Its not something rational, and the potential for argument is present, so just step away from them and try to go the other way.

For someone to open carry in a general setting, like say, a Wal-Mart, I think that person is going to have a borderline autistic syndrome very similar to that of the young man with the loud stereo, or large spoiler on the back of his Honda Civic. You are pretending to be something that you are not.

You are definitely not going to be fast drawing on someone in the nick of time to save the day. In most circumstances, if you are worthy of carrying a firearm, your awareness will alert you if someone is about to threaten you (Jeff Cooper stuff). The situation I mention of 'having more time to consider one's options from concealment' means that if I'm in line at the grocery store, and some guy starts waving a gun at the cashier, I'm going to have the option of turning around with my family, and leaving out the back door. If that route is blocked, then yes, I do actually have a Kel Tec P3at in my pocket. Or, if I think a clear opportunity is present, I may end the confrontation. It is my option.

See that's why I carry a gun. I am not law enforcement, and I do not want to pretend to be. I carry a gun everyday, everywhere, for the sole purpose of making it back home to my family. And if I were in the lane next to the one being robbed, and suddenly a gunfight erupted between the robber and some plainclothes citizen, I'd be pretty ticked off at both of them. If you guys want to pretend you're action heroes, well, if I see you open carrying, like I mentioned earlier, I'm going to keep my distance. Because trouble is going to follow you, not me.

Did you really just use Autism as an insult? I really hope someday you do that in front of a man with an autistic kid, and I really hope it gets caught on video for me to watch over and over again.

You deserve to take a long walk off a short cliff into shark infested waters.

 

[David2012]

Seth247, His writing is a insult to people afflicted with autism... all the ones I've met have had better sense than to ever write that kind of clueless dribble.

 

[Seth247]

Saying they don't work on Fridays is not entirely accurate. Many of them have very long drives to get from home to the Capitol and back. Most of them work from their home district offices on Friday. I saw Sen Barrington at a Vietnam Veterans Rally in Lawton last Friday. When the legislature is in session, the out of town guys have to stay in an apartment here in OKC from Monday night until Thursday. They get paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $35K per year. I think that being able to sleep in your own bed 3 nights a week is fair for no more than they get paid. Consider that these guys are mostly business professionals, doctors, lawyers, with lots of education and life experience...at least some of them...

Not trying to be a fanboy or anything, but fair is fair.

Lol. Work half a year for 35k? Sounds like a pretty good deal! It seems someone has forgotten that some of the second class citizens like me can work a pretty good job for a WHOLE year and still not make 35 grand. And I also somehow manage to have time to research all this legislation THEY are supposed to be researching(but obviously aren't given how little they always seem to understand about what they are voting on) AND on top of that I somehow find time to go shooting.

 

[Seth247]

Seth247, His writing is a insult to people afflicted with autism... all the ones I've met have had better sense than to ever write that kind of clueless dribble.

It's like saying "well he's so stupid I bet he has cancer" or something equally as stupid. Being autistic isn't even related to lower intelligence(the inverse if anything), it's about interaction with the outside world.

 

[kinggabby]

Did you really just use Autism as an insult? I really hope someday you do that in front of a man with an autistic kid, and I really hope it gets caught on video for me to watch over and over again.

You deserve to take a long walk off a short cliff into shark infested waters.

As an Uncle of an Autistic child and a father of a child with Fragile X I am offended with your choice of words. He might not have meant it in those words. But he should have chosen something that does not affect children. In the future I hope he chooses his words more carefully . But on this Easter day I myself will forgive his choice of words.

 

[iRIGHTi]

Perhaps we should re-focus on the purpose of this thread instead of hijacking it into an OC vs CC debate. This thread is about the legislative action currently going on in the House and Senate.

 

[ronny]

Well, you're no fun.