HB2522: Open Carry

[reddog1]

To Col. Jethro:

I am the father of an autistic child. You are not just an idiot for making the autisim remark. You are an idiot period. It is not your fault.

Maybe you need to go to the geneticist and have YOUR DNA counted.

Wait, no need for that. The statements in your post lack the intellegence of anyone on the autisim / aspergers spectrum.

You go take care of whatever threat with your big ol' P3AT, ya big stud muffin Col.

 

[bulbboy]

I guess several have missed my point. So I'll expand upon it. I guess I don't really disagree that it should be a citizen's right to open carry. I meant that open carry is not an intelligent way to protect yourself and your family. Uniformed officers are already marked to stand out, and their identification as law enforcement furthers the penalties for confrontation with them, and ups the deterrent level. They should be openly armed.

Regular citizens not in uniform openly presenting a firearm raise more questions than answers. Is this person trained properly? Are they hot-headed? Why are they displaying a weapon? Does he think I just looked at his wife? What if he's on medication?

I think we will see most people in public shy away from open carry individuals. These people carrying a weapon may incorrectly interpret this as a sign of respect, or unnecessary fear, however the typical attitude will be to treat them similar to the way one would treat a teenager in a car with a super loud radio. Its not something rational, and the potential for argument is present, so just step away from them and try to go the other way.

For someone to open carry in a general setting, like say, a Wal-Mart, I think that person is going to have a borderline autistic syndrome very similar to that of the young man with the loud stereo, or large spoiler on the back of his Honda Civic. You are pretending to be something that you are not.

You are definitely not going to be fast drawing on someone in the nick of time to save the day. In most circumstances, if you are worthy of carrying a firearm, your awareness will alert you if someone is about to threaten you (Jeff Cooper stuff). The situation I mention of 'having more time to consider one's options from concealment' means that if I'm in line at the grocery store, and some guy starts waving a gun at the cashier, I'm going to have the option of turning around with my family, and leaving out the back door. If that route is blocked, then yes, I do actually have a Kel Tec P3at in my pocket. Or, if I think a clear opportunity is present, I may end the confrontation. It is my option.

See that's why I carry a gun. I am not law enforcement, and I do not want to pretend to be. I carry a gun everyday, everywhere, for the sole purpose of making it back home to my family. And if I were in the lane next to the one being robbed, and suddenly a gunfight erupted between the robber and some plainclothes citizen, I'd be pretty ticked off at both of them. If you guys want to pretend you're action heroes, well, if I see you open carrying, like I mentioned earlier, I'm going to keep my distance. Because trouble is going to follow you, not me.

Hard to be a lower human being after that autism comment. Your parents must be proud.

 

[p238shooter]

Anyone have a schedule of events concerning HB2522 or SB1733 that we should be looking for in the near future?

 

[Lurkerinthewoods]

I asked my 11yr old autistic child if he preferred I conceal carry instead of open carrying my firearm. He mumbled something about wanting another Pop Tart and went to sit at the table. I don't think he cares either way.

My wife was curious as to what autistic syndrome someone would have that would make them want to have a loud stereo or a large spoiler. We in this house have always assumed it was the "saggy britches" syndrome. Feel free to opine.

 

[hrdware]

Anyone have a schedule of events concerning HB2522 or SB1733 that we should be looking for in the near future?

SB1733 is on the House General Order, but has not yet been placed on the Agenda.

HB2522 is on the Senate General Order, but the title has been stricken so it can't be put on the agenda yet. This bill is waiting on some amendments before it gets moved to the agenda.

 

[ronny]

Oh, thanks. I had almost forgotten what this thread was all about.

 

[David2012]

Some anti open carry writer had submitted a letter to the Oklahoman's editor / your views on-line section whinning about police officers profiling people who open carried and some other dribble that got printed last week. I just submitted my own commit... we'll see if it gets posted or seriously edited...as it barely got in under the 250 word limit. I suggest submitting your own comments in support of Open Carry!

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Oklahoman-
"Re: Open Carry. Up until '71 Okla had open carry.. people weren't background checked, nor trained in applicable laws, nor licensed & there sure wasn't blood running in the streets. I dare anyone to point to one single example of a news story from Oklahoma's past where someone legally open carrying got into a illegal gunfight! Open carry was only stopped due to political correctness running amok, not due to unlawfulness.

Now, 30 yrs later the proposed Open Carry License will require background checks & training with the weapons carried & in the applicable laws.

It will limit places where weapons can be openly carried such as all government buildings, schools and private businesses that choose to opt out. Police officers will have the 'option' of checking anyone who is openly carrying a weapon. And violators of the new open carry laws will face stiff fines and possible jail time. Once the local police have identified you as having a license... it is highly unlikely the same officer would ever waste their time checking the same person again... unless it was to verify that the weapon holder had their permit on them at the time. All this hand-wringing over gunfights in the street, profiling, excess work on officers, and unlawfulness on the part of people open carrying is unfounded... 43 other states are proving that point right now. I believe licensed Oklahomans will be just as responsible open carrying weapons as their 43 neighbors."

 

[okiebryan]

As far as I can tell, the 1971 Firearms act in Oklahoma was a response to what had happened in California a couple of years prior.

The Black Panthers were protesting something that the CA legislature was doing, and showed up at the Capitol, open carrying rifles and handguns. The CA legislature immediately outlawed the open carry of loaded weapons. I think this was in 1968, but I'm not sure and can't look it up right now.

I can't say with 100% certainty, but I think that Oklahoma's 71 law was a direct result. Several other states enacted similar laws just after what happened in California.

 

[David2012]

There is such a thing as disclosing 'too much info' if it doesn't help your cause any.

 

[mons meg]

And I also somehow manage to have time to research all this legislation THEY are supposed to be researching

Yeah, but like me, you probably do this from your desk at work...

I keed...I keed...