I just don't see the point in licensing for carrying?
In the states where unlicensed carrying is legal we're not seeing any huge outbreak of crime. What's the point to licensing this, besides revenue and generic nannystate stuff?
I just don't see the point in licensing for carrying?
In the states where unlicensed carrying is legal we're not seeing any huge outbreak of crime. What's the point to licensing this, besides revenue and generic nannystate stuff?
As someone already posted . We did not lose our rights over night. And we are not going to get them back over night. For now we have to take what we can and hope more freedom comes. I agree that this is not what we all want either. But if something passes it will be a start.
Open carry or concealed- this is an excercise in basic civil rights. The State of Oklahoma levies a tax or user fee on a method of self-defense.
Do you need a permit to carry a knife?
Do you need a permit to learn martial arts?
Do you need a permit to.... <enter your form of defensive tool> here?
No, you dont. A CCW costs about $200 after you pay for the full meal deal. If your legal to own a firearm (per Federal law) you should be able to transport that firearm as you see fit. Some people cannot afford to permit the gun they own...and that hogleg could have been a gift, passed down or whatever.
I think it's a fee that is prejudicial and creates a class distinction.
Yea--- start a riot acting a fool with a gun... go to jail, just like you would if you waved a Bowie knife around- or running folks down the sidewalk in a car.
43 states have some form of open carry... a lot have had a resurection of that right in just the last few years. If blood int the street was all the rage elseware don't ya think Linda Cavanaugh and Kelly Ogle would be talking about those instances daily?
for about 10 days.
The LEO side will see notices about all changes to law well before the effective date. Any Open Carry issues will be discussed, policy will be written and officer will be trained.
The public-at-large? They will half digest a half baked sound bite from the local media and some will create some troubles.
We have noted in a couple of OC states that "out of town" folks have been arrested, jailed and fined for interfering with OC residents. I'd expect that to be the norm here after a few "man with gun calls" turn out to be harrasment.
911 Caller, "Oh my God!....there is a ...a MAN with a GUN! here at Walmart"
Dispactcher, "yes ma'am.... OC is legal in Oklahoma...it that man touching his gun? Is it out? uhhh... has he said any threats?"
911 caller,"......ahhhhh, no...."
Dispatcher, "where is he in the store?"
911 Caller, "by the laundery soap.... he just got a box of Tide... and he's heading for the Coke-cola....."
Dispatcher, "call us back when he commits a crime...have a NICE day!" ,<click>
Agreed 100%
Now...in this State here lies the problem.
As a group... we are NOT willing to test the waters. I am not a lawyer... but the way I read the SDA it's not totally out of the question to carry a open gun in public. Yea- there is some case law from '71 that everyone defaults to that says ya cant... but no one has ever challenged it.
If we cannot get what we want through the legislative process... are you willing to start slow?
Empty Holster days?
Wearing a exposed Magazine? (while covering your gun per current law)
OC Ice Cream Socials/Picnics?
<gasp> Civil Disobedience? (getting busted with an open gun.)
To get this tried as a Civil Rights issue in the courts some one will have to get those Rights violated. It worked in Michigan... it could work here. The same methods have overturned Helmet laws in other states... but someone has to be willing to step out and take a chance.
It just bothers me that out of all the states I travel in regularly, OK, AR, MO, LA, TX, NM, CO - Oklahoma is the only one where I need to pay for the right to carry a loaded gun in my vehicle. As pro-gun as this state is and you have to pay to keep a loaded gun in the car? In my opinion, that is discrimination that prevents some people from being able to defend themselves. It took me forever to get my CCW, but it wasn't a cost issue, it was an issue of having a free Saturday to go to the class, and then finding a free day to go to the Sheriff's office and get printed.
I get blasted on this forum quite a bit for being "so liberal", but is it a liberal idea that everyone should have the free ability to carry concealed or openly without a permit?
I don't accept the philosophy that we're gaining something by being able to OC with a CCW. I'm sure I've printed a million times and have never been ticketed for it or even asked to show my license.
I don't see anything to get excited about here.
We have to start somewhere. Yeah Licensing stinks, but thats what we are stuck with now and NO open carry.Here in Oklahoma once the State gets into you with a fee or a license your stuck with. It's like a leech that sucks the life blood out of you except you can't ever get rid of it. To find a way to be able to start chipping away at what we currently have and start taking small steps toward having Constitutional Carry. It's going to take a lot of time to get there.
Therein lies the issue here in the Sooner state. Our "conservatives" dont understand the Consitution. We have tried to get "our rights back" one step at a time for 3 years now.
You certainly are not a liberal because of the opinion stated in your posting...you get it. Our "Conservative" brethren in this state preach a good game.... but condem a person as a "liberal" rabble rouser if you are willing to "protest" and demand change vocally.
God, Guns and Gays .... if it's just hot air, the bulldog is hungry at the end of the day. Progressive is a dirty word here... but protection of the rights of everyone earns us the right (and gives us the clout) to look out for our "special interests".
Some OC facts I gathered.
- 43 states allow some form of open carry. 71.86% of all Americans live in a state where open carry is legal in some form.
- 42 of those states allow open carry without regard to geographical area (I'm taking California out, as they only allow it rural areas)
- Of the 42 states where open carry is generally allowed, only 14 states require a permit to open carry (statutory age limitations in parenthesis): UT (18), MD (No age limit), MN (No age limit), IA (18), HI (No age limit), TN (No age limit), IN (No age limit), MS (18), GA (No age limit), MA (No age limit), CT (No age limit), RI (No age limit), NJ (No age limit), and MD (No age limit)
- Of the 28 states that allow unlicensed open carry, only one (1) has an age requirement greater than 18 years of age (New Mexico, where the statutory age limit is 19)
- Of those 28 states that don't require a license, 20 have laws that define the statutory age limit as 18 years or older (WA, OR, ID, NV, SD, AZ, CO, NE, KS, WI, MI, LA, AL, OH, PA, WV, DE, NC, VA, and KY). That's 40% of U.S. states and 33.73% of the U.S. population.
- Of the 28 unlicensed open carry states, 4 have statutory age limit lower than 18: AK (14), LA (17), VT (16), and MT (14)
- A further 4 more states have no statutory age limit: WY, MO, ME, NH
Source for state-by-state open carry info: [url]http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html[/URL]
Source for population percentages: 2010 Census data on state populations
- 43 states allow some form of open carry. 71.86% of all Americans live in a state where open carry is legal in some form.
- 42 of those states allow open carry without regard to geographical area (I'm taking California out, as they only allow it rural areas)
- Of the 42 states where open carry is generally allowed, only 14 states require a permit to open carry (statutory age limitations in parenthesis): UT (18), MD (No age limit), MN (No age limit), IA (18), HI (No age limit), TN (No age limit), IN (No age limit), MS (18), GA (No age limit), MA (No age limit), CT (No age limit), RI (No age limit), NJ (No age limit), and MD (No age limit)
- Of the 28 states that allow unlicensed open carry, only one (1) has an age requirement greater than 18 years of age (New Mexico, where the statutory age limit is 19)
- Of those 28 states that don't require a license, 20 have laws that define the statutory age limit as 18 years or older (WA, OR, ID, NV, SD, AZ, CO, NE, KS, WI, MI, LA, AL, OH, PA, WV, DE, NC, VA, and KY). That's 40% of U.S. states and 33.73% of the U.S. population.
- Of the 28 unlicensed open carry states, 4 have statutory age limit lower than 18: AK (14), LA (17), VT (16), and MT (14)
- A further 4 more states have no statutory age limit: WY, MO, ME, NH
Source for state-by-state open carry info: [url]http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html[/URL]
Source for population percentages: 2010 Census data on state populations
