Tax break for the rich, smart move. Tax break for poor to eat, moochers?

[Hobbes]

Unemployment is not an entitlement because you and your employer paid in.
Are you a moocher? That depends.
If you go and actively seek employment. No!
If you take a 6 month to 2 years vacation. Or take the money and work side jobs for cash. YES! YES! YES!

Really?
That's not what I heard:


Who pays the Unemployment Benefit Compensation Tax?

Oklahoma employers and nonprofit organizations (other than those described in Section 501 (c) (3) of the IRS Code) pay the tax if they employ one or more workers in each of twenty different calendar weeks during a calendar year or if they have a payroll of $1,500.00 in a calendar quarter or are liable under the Federal Unemployment Tax Act.

Nonprofit organizations as described in Section 501 (c) (3) of the IRS Code will be liable if they employ four or more workers in each of twenty different calendar weeks during a calendar year.

All state agencies, cities, towns, counties, public trusts or local school districts, including nonprofit elementary and secondary schools, also pay unemployment taxes.

Agricultural employers who have a total payroll of $20,000.00 in any calendar quarter during a calendar year or have ten or more employees in twenty different calendar weeks during a calendar year are required to pay this tax.

Domestic employers such as private homes, local college clubs or local chapters of college fraternities or sororities who pay $1,000.00 cash remuneration in any calendar quarter during a calendar year must also pay the tax.

http://www.ok.gov/oesc_web/Services...ys the Unemployment Benefit Compensation Tax?

It's a tax on employers that's given to unemployed workers that qualify.

 

[j-dubb]

The rich will just keep getting richer and the poor will just keep getting poorer. It's pointless to argue about it, the rich pay more in, in taxes than what most people make in a yearly salary and that's a small business that is local. Most people are just butt hurt knowing that fact, that they pay more in taxes than you make. There is no one stopping you from being successful and becoming rich except for yourself. It comes down to, at what point do you feel comfortable in life making what you make and making another $50,000 or $100,000 or $500,000 isn't worth the sacrifice and hard work it takes to get there. Some people set goals and don't stop until they get there, they have a drive that most others don't. I want to see everyone I know, including myself be successful or become successful, but they are going to have to work at it and not expect it to happen magically.

 

[JesseR]

There is an underlying issue here, laziness. Many of the current programs were started in a very different time with a very different mindset. Let's look at the start of many of these programs back in 1933. The industrial revolution was in full swing, a new influx of immigrants had arrived in America from 1895-1923 and production and growth were at an all time high. In 1929 the financial system had a massive correction with the stock market crash resulting in general ruin of the quality of life.

Roosevelt introduced many new programs to assist Americans to get back on their feet. Their attitude was one of desire to make it on their own. To do well, live free of the government and not take hand outs. My grandmother remembers her parents being ashamed of taking hand outs and were happy to turn them down as soon as her dad got work.

Fast forward to today, there are several generations of "poor" Americans who were raised learning how to get their government check. Being taught that school is Bias towards a certain class/color/type of person. I remember school, the teacher taught the same lessons to all kids, some chose to sit in front of the class and listen, others chose to sit in back and make fun of everyone else. The result, some learned and progressed, others are now in Jail blaming society instead of themselves for making bad decisions.

I have no problems with the entitlement programs that exist or those who use those programs.

My issue:

Parents who are too lazy to look for a job and would rather just collect a check
parents who teach their children the world is stacked against them
Parents who bias their children against a certain color/class/group of people

Unemployment is ment to get you by until you can find another job either full time or part time. Either of the same/greater/lesser level. I worked for 10 years in upper management, but in a minute I'd work at QT if I needed to take care of my family.

WIC is to get the basics to support young children and their new moms. Don't keep having kids just to keep getting their check.

Food Stamps/Access cards are to help augment a low level income, not to sell/trade for cash for drugs or the casino.

I do believe that if you accept government assistance funds, you open yourself up to higher standards of living/ drug tests/ spending tracking.

Everyone likes to say tax the rich, you aren't rich when 50% of your income goes back to the government to support those who are too lazy to work and make a difference. What I can't understand is how many people can't understand math..

There are close to 313 Million people in the USA, If all able bodied men and women held any available job and paid their "fair" share of taxes at the current tax rates, we would be a fully funded country and resume our status as the most powerful nation on the globe.

If the GSA would enact a rule to only do business with companies who made products with American workers, we would see our working class expand and put more of those 313 million in steady jobs.

Math is simple and a variety of equations give you the same answer. The best for America is to get more people working and quick taking for those who are currently working.

I'm a small business owner, people see my life style but don't see the work, hours or sacrifice I've given to build my business. You want me to pay more of the money I work so hard to make because others are too lazy to work them self. Like my grandfather always said, "The world needs ditch diggers too"

 

[Hobbes]

Like my grandfather always said, "The world needs ditch diggers too"

This him?

 

[Glocktogo]

I don't know that I agree with this. If you are offered tax breaks (or you find loopholes) and other companies / citizens don't because they don't have the money to do so, isn't the government just rewarding the exact same behavior on both ends of the scale (willingness to break the rules by any means necessary).

What if you (as a business) have a team of lawyers, and some pretty strong-armed paid lobbyists on the payroll - and you set out to get out of paying your fair share of taxes (or the government creates regulations that exempt you from taxes, but don't allow smaller companies to do so because they don't have a global presence, or because they don't have enough lawyers to come up with good enough loop-holes)?

My thoughts were on automatic tax breaks that are factored in if you fit into a certain category. As for those companies like GE that employ a thousand lawyers to get out of taxes, well they have to pay those lawyers (who also pay taxes), so it isn't free either way.

 

[JesseR]

This him?

Nope..

 

[WTJ]

Summation:

The rich, and corporations, game the tax/entitlement system.
The poor, and NGOs, game the tax/entitlement system.
The rest pay, like it or not, agree or not, socially justify or not, under threat of force.

Common denominator? The .gov

Problem: Unconstitutional government and poor citizenry.

 

[beast1989]

Ive been to Wal-Mart on the 1st of the month and seen this. I agree that 'Access' cards are being used on things that are not healthy, but why is that?

Do they buy the junk food because they taste awesome or because they get more bang for their buck than healthier groceries that takes skills to cook?

The same corporations that are making profits from selling the junk food bought with access cards, are they taking advantage of tax loopholes that in essence cost the Federal government more than the aggregate of all the money on those Access cards?

The anecdotal experiences that you and I have seen show that these people obvious are able or choose not to cook healthily. How much money do the junk food corporations spend in advertising and influence to get Access cards users to buy their products?

The junk food that people buy while on food stamps is really irrelevant in my opinion because Americans as a whole eat the same unhealthy junk food. We are a nation of overfed and undernourished peoples.

The government could EASILY restrict what types of products could be bought but they dont. Do we really expect people in the welfare system to have more knowledge to empower themselves to eat healthier than others who are higher up on the Darwin scale?

 

[Lurkerinthewoods]

I have lived where I made decent money (now being one of those times) and I have lived more of my life at what is now considered welfare, food stamp level. I can say there were times I had nothing more that a 1.00 burrito from QT for lunch and a double cheese burger and small fry for dinner. I also understand for about 2 bucks a box (extra ingredients needed to make included) I could have a box of Mac and Cheese with hotdogs or smokies..

I have also worked at Walmart in my younger days and seen the crap people buy with food stamps. Having the lack of proper nutritional facts hurt their decision to a point. But if the registers can separate the non-food items, it most certainly can exclude the gallons of soda and Little Debbie snack cakes.

 

[Shadowrider]

I don't know that I agree with this. If you are offered tax breaks (or you find loopholes) and other companies / citizens don't because they don't have the money to do so, isn't the government just rewarding the exact same behavior on both ends of the scale (willingness to break the rules by any means necessary).

What if you (as a business) have a team of lawyers, and some pretty strong-armed paid lobbyists on the payroll - and you set out to get out of paying your fair share of taxes (or the government creates regulations that exempt you from taxes, but don't allow smaller companies to do so because they don't have a global presence, or because they don't have enough lawyers to come up with good enough loop-holes)?

So just exactly how is utilizing a tax exemption "breaking the rules"? What rules are you referring to? This is the problem with class warfare and social justice. If a small company can't figure out the exemptions or doesn't qualify, there is nothing stopping them from growing into one that can.