Tax break for the rich, smart move. Tax break for poor to eat, moochers?

[Stephen Cue]

I don't really want to bash them, but seriously it is very concerning how many people are taking advantage of government entitlement programs. Should we as a nation and a people be trying to help people in such a way that we're reducing the amount of people dependent on the government? Heck that's even what Clinton believed...

No not all loans, grants, breaks etc are legit and I am not for them as I said earlier. I'm in GTGs camp of doing away with all the cumbersome and crazy tax loopholes and code.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that most of the OSA membership is smart enough to know that there is abuse at all levels and we just want something done about it. What seems to torque people off pretty easily is when they can see, hear, touch and smell the entitlement abuse right in their backyard and they KNOW the people who are doing it so they have a pretty good handle on how legit it is.

Anyway... it was a good thread. You make a good point but I honestly think that everyone here really wants corporate tax welfare to go away just as much as the rampant entitlement programs.

I see what you're saying about hating abuse on both sides, but you have to admit, entitlement abuse hate is definitely more talked about.

 

[ez bake]

Simple math. A tax break is the government saying they're not going to take quite as much from you. An "entitlement" is something the government takes from others to give to you for free.

I don't know that I agree with this. If you are offered tax breaks (or you find loopholes) and other companies / citizens don't because they don't have the money to do so, isn't the government just rewarding the exact same behavior on both ends of the scale (willingness to break the rules by any means necessary).

What if you (as a business) have a team of lawyers, and some pretty strong-armed paid lobbyists on the payroll - and you set out to get out of paying your fair share of taxes (or the government creates regulations that exempt you from taxes, but don't allow smaller companies to do so because they don't have a global presence, or because they don't have enough lawyers to come up with good enough loop-holes)?

 

[Stephen Cue]

lol...What was I supposed to say? I have plenty of receipts.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets say we both win because we both give alot to charity!

 

[HMFIC]

I see what you're saying about hating abuse on both sides, but you have to admit, entitlement abuse hate is definitely more talked about.

I do admit that and that's why I said it's a good thread and interesting point. I believe entitlement abuse is more talked about because people can generally identify with it more and they can actually SEE the abuse on a daily basis.

Reform it all... that's my motto.

 

[Lurker66]

I don't really want to bash them, but seriously it is very concerning how many people are taking advantage of government entitlement programs. Should we as a nation and a people be trying to help people in such a way that we're reducing the amount of people dependent on the government? Heck that's even what Clinton believed...

No not all loans, grants, breaks etc are legit and I am not for them as I said earlier. I'm in GTGs camp of doing away with all the cumbersome and crazy tax loopholes and code.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that most of the OSA membership is smart enough to know that there is abuse at all levels and we just want something done about it. What seems to torque people off pretty easily is when they can see, hear, touch and smell the entitlement abuse right in their backyard and they KNOW the people who are doing it so they have a pretty good handle on how legit it is.

Anyway... it was a good thread. You make a good point but I honestly think that everyone here really wants corporate tax welfare to go away just as much as the rampant entitlement programs.

youve got a handle on the issues and problems. Harder task is how to solve it in spite of the goofballs we elect.

 

[Stephen Cue]

I do admit that and that's why I said it's a good thread and interesting point. I believe entitlement abuse is more talked about because people can generally identify with it more and they can actually SEE the abuse on a daily basis.
Reform it all... that's my motto.

Good point.

 

[HMFIC]

youve got a handle on the issues and problems. Harder task is how to solve it in spite of the goofballs we elect.

That's a FACT!

 

[mr ed]

How about this?

If you are laid off from work, through no fault of your own, and you sign up to receive unemployment benefits are you a moocher?

The unemployment funds were extracted from your former employer against his will by the authority of government.
Doe that make you a moocher?

Unemployment is not an entitlement because you and your employer paid in.
Are you a moocher? That depends.
If you go and actively seek employment. No!
If you take a 6 month to 2 years vacation. Or take the money and work side jobs for cash. YES! YES! YES!

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets say we both win because we both give alot to charity!

Works for me.

 

[ez bake]

What is being suggested is that if you use an access/food stamp, government assistance program, you can only buy from a specific list or certain products. Flesh it out and we should have a government run super store that only welfare types can use. That way we can regulate how they eat and spend our tax dollars.

Sort of Like WIC? I was in the Military and on WIC (one stripe on your sleeve and a baby do not equal enough to take care of the family when base-housing is full).