NRA/ORA stand on open carry?

[Wind]

You can discuss philosphy all you want. But any progress gained on ANY 2A rights makes it more difficult for anyone to take them away.
As far as the NRA, they take in a lot of money from this state and we see little or no effort from them in state legislative matters.
I'm more than a Lifetime member and I'm not happy with the lack of effort NRA lobbyists did in the state legislature in this past legislative session.
I pay their salaries.
I want to see them do their jobs, not just talk about what others are doing.

 

[1shot(bob)]

Here I competely agree.

I just don't think this bill being vetoed was one more nail in the coffin; we had far more repressive gun laws in this state previously and now we don't.

We didn't turn this state over to socialists then and we won't now.

Michael Brown

I don't think it was a nail being put into the coffin, but it could have been one being taken out.

 

[DirtyDawg]

I don't think it was a nail being put into the coffin, but it could have been one being taken out.

+10,000! My thoughts exactly!

 

[RemTac87]

I can certainly see how some folks would see it this way.

I just don't think state level victories do anything for us these days. I think we need to be using the marginally favorable SCOTUS for issues like repealing NFA regulations or moving toward a national concealed carry or focusing on legislation that imposes civil penalties on those who ignore established precedent on citizens' right to keep and bear arms.

I don't really see open carry as a step toward removing the real oppressors of firearms ownership.

Just my take.

Michael Brown

Why do you not see state level victories doing anything for us? There is no battle won by a one large victory, but a series of small ones. We always have to celebrate the small victories and reorganize when we fall short. I personally believe the NRA could have aided in restoring the Rights to the citizens of Oklahoma, but chose to be neutral. If they intend on supporting the members, who work hard for the money they send to them via member dues and donations, then they need to help us fight the little battles that may seem insignifigant in the grand scheme of things. I am sure the people who are pushing for total gun control are celebrating every single battle won for they know that it is one more step towards their goal. I have noticed that you do not believe that it is a step forward for Oklahoma to allow open carry. My question to you is why? In my honest opinion, it would because I would not have to be fearful of a ticket from my gun being exposed to another person or from "printing". That doesn't mean i would open carry, but I would have the choice. I also see you are an instructor at USSA. Answer me this. What is the most efficient and safest way to draw a handgun? From an open carried holster or drawing from concealment. Also, what is the difference between open carry for a civilian and a Police officer when it comes to being a target for criminals?

Please don't feel that I am attacking you, I am just adding a perspective as well as adding to the topic of discussion.

By the way... I like the scripture (-1 Samuel 17:32). Every person has the ability to do great things, with a little courage in their hearts and God on thier side.

 

[SMS]

Why do you not see state level victories doing anything for us.

Because this particular battle didn't expand the right to carry or undo any old restrictions on the right and it didn't drop the licensing requirement. It only came down to whether or not you had to pull a shirt over your pistol. That's not a victory...and doesn't logically or legally lead to the next step of bringing about unlicensed carry.

It was a dress-code issue, not a 2nd Amendment issue. That's why the NRA and GOA didn't show up (to get back on topic).

 

[DirtyDawg]

Because this particular battle didn't expand the right to carry or undo any old restrictions on the right and it didn't drop the licensing requirement. It only came down to whether or not you had to pull a shirt over your pistol. That's not a victory...and doesn't logically or legally lead to the next step of bringing about unlicensed carry.

It was a dress-code issue, not a 2nd Amendment issue. That's why the NRA and GOA didn't show up (to get back on topic).

I spoke with a few legislators and they told me that had HB3354 Open Carry passed, then yes, their plan was to amend the law in the next session or two to eliminate the need for licensing. Then NRA/ORA let us down tremendously.

 

[1shot(bob)]

Because this particular battle didn't expand the right to carry or undo any old restrictions on the right and it didn't drop the licensing requirement. It only came down to whether or not you had to pull a shirt over your pistol. That's not a victory...and doesn't logically or legally lead to the next step of bringing about unlicensed carry.

It was a dress-code issue, not a 2nd Amendment issue. That's why the NRA and GOA didn't show up (to get back on topic).

I respectfully disagree. How I dress can make a difference in whether I carry or not. If I didn't have to worry about whether I printed or not, or if I have enough or proper clothing on to conceal my weapon, I would carry a lot more.
To me it's a lot more than a dress code issue. It's a convenience and comfort question about whether and when I carry. Having to conceal does inhibit my carry status.

 

[Wind]

Because this particular battle didn't expand the right to carry or undo any old restrictions on the right and it didn't drop the licensing requirement. It only came down to whether or not you had to pull a shirt over your pistol. That's not a victory...and doesn't logically or legally lead to the next step of bringing about unlicensed carry.

It was a dress-code issue, not a 2nd Amendment issue. That's why the NRA and GOA didn't show up (to get back on topic).

Name any issue on 2A rights that they have made a showing in Oklahoma in the past 5 years.

 

[Rod Snell]

Name any issue on 2A rights that they have made a showing in Oklahoma in the past 5 years.

Name any issue at the US Federal level that does not affect you in Oklahoma.
That's the primary mission of the NRA, not coming to a gun-aware, gun-friendly state like Oklahoma to hold our hand on local issues we should be able to handle ourselves.

Compared to the effort now going on to get the 2A fully incorporated like the other US Constitutional Amendments, our Governor's liberal vetoing hissy fit is way down the list.

We have a question to ask our next candidates for governor: "Will you sign Open Carry?"

 

[Michael Brown]

Name any issue at the US Federal level that does not affect you in Oklahoma.
That's the primary mission of the NRA, not coming to a gun-aware, gun-friendly state like Oklahoma to hold our hand on local issues we should be able to handle ourselves.

Compared to the effort now going on to get the 2A fully incorporated like the other US Constitutional Amendments, our Governor's liberal vetoing hissy fit is way down the list.

Michael Brown